Rory Best: Our coaches are crap.......well nearly!!!

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I see Rory Best saying it as it is, of course, I am reading between the lines but it's there.
Ulster's Rory Best has admitted Munster are setting a standard his side aren't "anywhere near" matching this season.

The Kingspan outfit travel to Limerick on Saturday (3pm kick-off) for what could be a season-defining contest as they look to push their way back into the PRO12 play-off spots with only three games remaining.

With Rassie Erasmus' men meeting Saracens in the Champions Cup a week later, Irish captain Best has been feeling jealous.

"Munster and Leinster, they have set the standard," acknowledged Best. "If you want to win this league, they're the teams and the level you have to reach.

"Our performances haven't been anywhere near that level but I believe we have the players to be at that standard."

With Munster and Leinster potentially facing each other in both the Champions Cup and PRO12 finals, Best added: "It's very tough not being a part of those games."
Clear as day, "we have the players", so what is malfunctioning? I suspect Rory wishes the forthcoming coaching changes had happened a few years back.
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BaggyTrousers wrote:I see Rory Best saying it as it is, of course, I am reading between the lines but it's there.
Ulster's Rory Best has admitted Munster are setting a standard his side aren't "anywhere near" matching this season.

The Kingspan outfit travel to Limerick on Saturday (3pm kick-off) for what could be a season-defining contest as they look to push their way back into the PRO12 play-off spots with only three games remaining.

With Rassie Erasmus' men meeting Saracens in the Champions Cup a week later, Irish captain Best has been feeling jealous.

"Munster and Leinster, they have set the standard," acknowledged Best. "If you want to win this league, they're the teams and the level you have to reach.

"Our performances haven't been anywhere near that level but I believe we have the players to be at that standard."

With Munster and Leinster potentially facing each other in both the Champions Cup and PRO12 finals, Best added: "It's very tough not being a part of those games."
Clear as day, "we have the players", so what is malfunctioning? I suspect Rory wishes the forthcoming coaching changes had happened a few years back.
I wonder does he think a total coach clear out would have been better than the partial one we have got ?
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BaggyTrousers wrote:I see Rory Best saying it as it is, of course, I am reading between the lines but it's there.
Ulster's Rory Best has admitted Munster are setting a standard his side aren't "anywhere near" matching this season.

The Kingspan outfit travel to Limerick on Saturday (3pm kick-off) for what could be a season-defining contest as they look to push their way back into the PRO12 play-off spots with only three games remaining.

With Rassie Erasmus' men meeting Saracens in the Champions Cup a week later, Irish captain Best has been feeling jealous.

"Munster and Leinster, they have set the standard," acknowledged Best. "If you want to win this league, they're the teams and the level you have to reach.

"Our performances haven't been anywhere near that level but I believe we have the players to be at that standard."

With Munster and Leinster potentially facing each other in both the Champions Cup and PRO12 finals, Best added: "It's very tough not being a part of those games."
Clear as day, "we have the players", so what is malfunctioning? I suspect Rory wishes the forthcoming coaching changes had happened a few years back.
I wonder does he think a total coach clear out would have been better than the partial one we have got ?
We'll never know whether Rory would favour a clear out, but I suspect not. That's as close as anyone will ever come to calling the thing by its name. And it is as close as you would want too, the message is clear without actually breaking omerta. What is clear is that Les is without excuse next season and if we continue to misfire, he'll be under pressure. A lot depends on how much Nucifuhrer is willing to back 'his man'.
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Said this for as long as I can remember that our most important signing would be a forwards coach.
Professionalism has levelled the playing field and coaching has had significantly more bearing on the game as a result.
Edges can't be gained as much in terms of skill, fitness training or time spent with the team so the quality of training comes more into play.

Munster and Leinster look like world beaters now compared to where they were and both transformations can be traced back to changes in their coaching set ups as tragic as Axels death was.
Connachts story under Lam speaks for itself.

Those sides were given gameplans to suit their players, fully empowered them so they are completely comfortable in their systems and have developed complete trust and belief in the entire set up.
We clearly don't have this.

I do think there is huge potential in the likes of Treadwell Herbst Herring and Warwick that can produce a missing physicality in our front 5.
I think Hendy is stagnating in his development and he can offer an extra 40%.
I think Gibbs could be the man to unlock this and introduce a collective intensity we haven't seen in years.

Backs wise there is obviously quality there and we need a 9.
However if we get it right from the front five first and foremost, the rest will follow.
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That is an example of reading between the lines and finding answer that suits your frame of mind .

He could be saying equally well, and possibly is , if hadn't had the injuries and had had fielded a consistent selection we might be of similar standard .

But then that doesn't fit the mind set !!!



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rumncoke wrote:That is an example of reading between the lines and finding answer that suits your frame of mind .

He could be saying equally well, and possibly is , if hadn't had the injuries and had had fielded a consistent selection we might be of similar standard .

But then that doesn't fit the mind set !!!



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I think Baggy's between line reading is better than yours Rummy and wouldn't be surprised if Rory would say in private our coaches are Shiite
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Rooster wrote: I wonder does he think a total coach clear out would have been better than the partial one we have got ?
I think its pretty unfair to include Les in that considering he has lost his one good coach in Barakat early in the season -the two of them had the team playing well at the end of last season, bar the semifinal. At the moment Les is carrying tweedle Dee and tweedle Dum [if you accept the argument that Doak and Clarke aren't the required standard]. Next year will certainly tell the tale but Les comes across as a sharp rugby mind and a good man-manager who perhaps currently doesn't have the coaching staff to deliver his vision. I think him and Jonno will be some coaching team but time will tell. I feel sorry for Les as is has to carry the can for the lack in the coaches under him.
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We could kick this same argument around until we're blue in the face.
We are all agreed, with the exception of Exile, that Doak and Clarke have been here too long and whatever value they brought to proceedings early on, has long since evaporated.
The new structure is in place and it's now a case of suck it and see.
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Personally I put it the statement in the bit of both area.

Because we have fielded some odd backlines and due to injury a weak back row and the fact is good players should not be affected by bad coaching but rise above it .

That statement does not deny the affect a coach can have but Doak and Clarke as basically training overseers have the affect attributed to them in team performance .




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Jaysus Ron'n, you don't half talk ballix when yer heed's on the wrong way round. :lol: :lol: :lol:

It's as clear as the nose on yer bake what Rory thinks, anyway I have personal information from elsewhere that most of the team are fed-up to the back teeth of the serious lack of coaching talent compared to what they experience at national squad gatherings.

If you don't understand the negative effect that poor coaches almost always have, never mind internecine bickering that Doak & Clarke specialise in, then my venerable friend .................yer bum's a plum.

I only wish that Kiss had taken the bull by the balls and put the lads on gardening leave and took it on himself and a few senior players, that way we mighty have got a bounce from the squad. You might point to all those bonus points but rarely was the performance one to shout about.

That you see is one of the problems, Mr Clarke reputationally only cares that you win, how you do is irrelevant. It's one of those counter-intuitive things, sounds right but is actually bollix when you then can't bate Aggie when the chips are down & that Ron'n why performance means everything, it's the repetition of good systems & skills game after game that sorts out the good teams from the also rans.
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Rory is delusional. We do not have the pack to compete with Munster or Leinster. Next season we might have. IF Botha and Coetzee can get some injury luck and the hond can replicate his YouTube form, we could be a lot better. Plus with a few nippers blooded and some deadwood shifted, combined with Jono, we are sure to be brill.
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Dave wrote:Rory is delusional. We do not have the pack to compete with Munster or Leinster. Next season we might have. IF Botha and Coetzee can get some injury luck and the hond can replicate his YouTube form, we could be a lot better. Plus with a few nippers blooded and some deadwood shifted, combined with Jono, we are sure to be brill.
All other things being equal, do Munster have the backs to compete with ours? I'd say no.
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Snipe Watson wrote:
Dave wrote:Rory is delusional. We do not have the pack to compete with Munster or Leinster. Next season we might have. IF Botha and Coetzee can get some injury luck and the hond can replicate his YouTube form, we could be a lot better. Plus with a few nippers blooded and some deadwood shifted, combined with Jono, we are sure to be brill.
All other things being equal, do Munster have the backs to compete with ours? I'd say no.
Munsters backs though don't hold the envious record of the most missed tackles in a match
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Snipe Watson wrote:All other things being equal, do Munster have the backs to compete with ours? I'd say no.
Easily.

In terms of significant differences, we've Piatau and Payne, they've Murray. The rest are much of a muchness.
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Dave I'm with you on that call , and the lack of back row and having to f-rt from week to week with the centre pairing has had more effect on performance than any coaching staleness and in fighting among the coaches ( not saying it would not improve the situation ) just that in my opinion much of what may exist may be overstated for personal reasons and thus over emphasised Hereon -- everyone has an axe to grind and when things go wrong the blame game is the first option picked by some .


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