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Dave wrote:I wonder will the Italians use this tactic in the 6N?
Only against the English, will take them to half time to work out what to do.
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Rooster wrote:
Dave wrote:I wonder will the Italians use this tactic in the 6N?
Only against the English, will take them to half time to work out what to do.
Haskell: "what's a tackle?"
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Dave wrote:
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Dave wrote:I wonder will the Italians use this tactic in the 6N?
Only against the English, will take them to half time to work out what to do.
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Samstew wrote:
BaggyTrousers wrote:
Russ wrote:Not concerned about the jump but the illegal chop
Thought i was watching popular sheep worrier richard hibbard there

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It's the age old question Bub, what came first the chicken or the egg? The chop or the illegal jump into the tackle? Without the jump, their would have been no illegal chop tackle. May I remind you that hurdling tackles ist verboten.
In this case, the intention was to chop, the player jumped, the outcome a clear penalty.
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Mr Stew, you clearly have not read my post, poor old Charlie was discombobulated by the jumping English prop, he had only seen Kangaroos do it on trips to Australia previously. Who are you Sam'l to say that had he not been so discomfited by the tubby lads insane and illegal jump that his chop tackle would not have been entirely legal?

The jump came first and was entirely the root cause. This is as sorry a miscarriage of justice as I have experienced since my ankle went on me when I was 3 under par after 10 holes and after 12 when it returned to full function I was 3 over par have slashed & burned down 11 & 12 on one friggin' leg, no French Tosspot with a whistle to offer me succour. You will be pleased that I birdied 2 of the last 6 holes to finish one-over but that was a chance of a course record stolen by damned misfortune.

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BaggyTrousers wrote:
Samstew wrote:
BaggyTrousers wrote:
Russ wrote:Not concerned about the jump but the illegal chop
Thought i was watching popular sheep worrier richard hibbard there

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It's the age old question Bub, what came first the chicken or the egg? The chop or the illegal jump into the tackle? Without the jump, their would have been no illegal chop tackle. May I remind you that hurdling tackles ist verboten.
In this case, the intention was to chop, the player jumped, the outcome a clear penalty.
Nothing else to see, move along please, the ref, fortunately, made the correct callImage


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Mr Stew, you clearly have not read my post, poor old Charlie was discombobulated by the jumping English prop, he had only seen Kangaroos do it on trips to Australia previously. Who are you Sam'l to say that had he not been so discomfited by the tubby lads insane and illegal jump that his chop tackle would not have been entirely legal?

The jump came first and was entirely the root cause. This is as sorry a miscarriage of justice as I have experienced since my ankle went on me when I was 3 under par after 10 holes and after 12 when it returned to full function I was 3 over par have slashed & burned down 11 & 12 on one friggin' leg, no French Tosspot with a whistle to offer me succour. You will be pleased that I birdied 2 of the last 6 holes to finish one-over but that was a chance of a course record stolen by damned misfortune.

I trust you will now find the path to righteousness. :thumleft:
Charlie was very much in a chop position prior to the jump tbh

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can anyone point me to the law ?
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Cockatrice wrote:can anyone point me to the law ?
https://www.psni.police.uk/
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That's done me Jockster. Touch of class.
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Cockatrice wrote:can anyone point me to the law ?
A player must not tackle an opponent whose feet are off the ground.
Sanction: Penalty kick
Yes there it is in black and white, so I hope FOLK is working on a strategy of tell all players to jump when receiving passes, we should win everything. :shock:
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Cockatrice wrote:can anyone point me to the law ?
I'd say the appropriate laws are:-

10(e) Dangerous tackling. A player must not tackle an opponent early, late or dangerously.
Sanction: Penalty kick
A player must not tackle (or try to tackle) an opponent above the line of the shoulders even
if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders. A tackle around the opponent’s neck or
head is dangerous play.
Sanction: Penalty kick
A ‘stiff-arm tackle’ is dangerous play. A player makes a stiff-arm tackle when using a stiffarm
to strike an opponent.
Sanction: Penalty kick
Playing a player without the ball is dangerous play.
Sanction: Penalty kick
A player must not tackle an opponent whose feet are off the ground.
Sanction: Penalty kick

10 (I) Tackling the jumper in the air.
A player must not tackle nor tap, push or pull the foot or
feet of an opponent jumping for the ball in a lineout or in open play.
Sanction: Penalty kick

I couldn't find any specific wording about jumping into or through a tackle in the current laws.
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I'm sure the law will be clarified, AFTER, the Lion's are finished with it.
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pwrmoore wrote:
Cockatrice wrote:can anyone point me to the law ?
I'd say the appropriate laws are:-

10(e) Dangerous tackling. A player must not tackle an opponent early, late or dangerously.
Sanction: Penalty kick
A player must not tackle (or try to tackle) an opponent above the line of the shoulders even
if the tackle starts below the line of the shoulders. A tackle around the opponent’s neck or
head is dangerous play.
Sanction: Penalty kick
A ‘stiff-arm tackle’ is dangerous play. A player makes a stiff-arm tackle when using a stiffarm
to strike an opponent.
Sanction: Penalty kick
Playing a player without the ball is dangerous play.
Sanction: Penalty kick
A player must not tackle an opponent whose feet are off the ground.
Sanction: Penalty kick

10 (I) Tackling the jumper in the air.
A player must not tackle nor tap, push or pull the foot or
feet of an opponent jumping for the ball in a lineout or in open play.
Sanction: Penalty kick

I couldn't find any specific wording about jumping into or through a tackle in the current laws.
And you won't, that's all there is. 10.i seems specifically aimed at the jumper in the lineout, and though not precise, fielding i high kick.

The bit I have quoted is a nonsense, like Garces decision, for as we know, in the act of running for as much as the time that one foot is on the ground, both are off the ground, strictly speaking "in the air". Of course it is easy to pick holes but all will know that if you ever try to frame a rule in one sentence covering all possibilities, you will be significantly more sage than anyone here.

As alaways, the Laws are never strictly interpreted, but are "managed" by refs to reflect the spirit of the game, I submit to class that a tubbybastard jumping to catch a modestly high passes was not what the lawmakers envisaged when writing it. In the realms of dangerous tackles, it simply failed to register and make no mistake, the law was never intended to be anything but relevant to dangerous play, indeed law 10 is titled Dangerous and Foul Play.
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FFS is this still a debate??? If both your feet are off the ground when collecting the ball you cannot be tackled. For anyone to suggest people hop skip or jump down the field to avoid tackles certainly hasn't ran very far in their lives. The pen last week was a unique set of circumstances that will not likely be repeated for a long time. Doesn't mean it was not a penalty though.

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jean valjean wrote:FFS is this still a debate??? If both your feet are off the ground when collecting the ball you cannot be tackled. For anyone to suggest people hop skip or jump down the field to avoid tackles certainly hasn't ran very far in their lives. The pen last week was a unique set of circumstances that will not likely be repeated for a long time. Doesn't mean it was not a penalty though.

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Jean, everything is a debate on here. If you like arguing without making a point, then the UAFC is the place for you. Waiting for the fleg/anfum debate anytime soon.
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Dave wrote:
jean valjean wrote:FFS is this still a debate??? If both your feet are off the ground when collecting the ball you cannot be tackled. For anyone to suggest people hop skip or jump down the field to avoid tackles certainly hasn't ran very far in their lives. The pen last week was a unique set of circumstances that will not likely be repeated for a long time. Doesn't mean it was not a penalty though.

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Jean, everything is a debate on here. If you like arguing without making a point, then the UAFC is the place for you. Waiting for the fleg/anfum debate anytime soon.
looking forward to it! Is there a seperate one on bonfires or is it a catchall?

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