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Re: Replacement 10

Postby shamalicious » Sun May 27, 2018 10:11 am

Tedanica wrote:
Postby Eggs » Sat May 26, 2018 3:47 pm
I can’t be the only one who would feel sad to hear that Ruan is hanging up his boots early because the family aren’t happy in France?

Never mind the irony of him coming here as a coach when he could still add so much on the pitch


No you are not the only one I will be crying if he does hang up his boots right now and if his wife is pushing him ( Mrs Afoa syndrom?) she is not worth him.

Just read this :https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/top-14/2017-2018/top-14-montpellier-pienaar-c-est-le-maitre-du-temps_sto6772691/story.shtml

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Il joue à son rythme, contrôle le tempo offensif de Montpellier et rien ne semble pouvoir le perturber. Décisif sur les deux premiers essais de son équipe et auteur de dix-sept points au pied (100% de réussite), Ruan Pienaar a brillé de mille feux vendredi : "Il faut s’assoir, le regarder jouer et prendre du plaisir", s’amuse Fulgence Ouedraogo.

in Google translation: A demonstration of strength, experience and control, embodied by an extraordinary player. Ruan Pienaar, a genius at the peak of his form and art.


He plays at his own pace, controls the offensive tempo of Montpellier and nothing seems to be able to disturb him. Decisive on the first two tries of his team and author of seventeen points to the foot (100% success), Ruan Pienaar shone a thousand lights on Friday: "We must sit, watch it play and have fun", funny Fulgence Ouedraogo.
Aye, let's blame the wife sure. Not that HE didn't want to leave Ulster and HE wants to come back or anything.

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Re: Replacement 10

Postby Cockatrice » Sun May 27, 2018 11:09 am

Does Ruan have his coaching qualifications yet?
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Re: Replacement 10

Postby Dave » Sun May 27, 2018 12:45 pm

Cockatrice wrote:Does Ruan have his coaching qualifications yet?
That's irrelevant. He's Ulster through and through. Is Byrn qualified for his role? Who cares...jobs for the beys!!!
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Re: Replacement 10

Postby Shan » Sun May 27, 2018 1:13 pm

shamalicious wrote:Aye, let's blame the wife sure. Not that HE didn't want to leave Ulster and HE wants to come back or anything.

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Re: Replacement 10

Postby Tedanica » Sun May 27, 2018 10:12 pm

Aye, let's blame the wife sure. Not that HE didn't want to leave Ulster and HE wants to come back or anything.

Ruan is in the form of his life. French journalists have fallen in love with him after the latest game and his team mates admire him absolutely.
He is learning French and found his place as a leader of Montpellier team.

Retiring now is premature for sure and he can,t return to Ulster as a player . But as his wife has come back to Ulster with their kids, it must be very difficult for him to stay alone in France!

Sure one could expect his wife to support him. He could come back to Ulster as a coach but in a couple of years not now.
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Re: Replacement 10

Postby justinr73 » Sun May 27, 2018 10:27 pm

Without wishing to minimise the positives that having RP back in the fold would bring, how many world class backs make great coaches?
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Re: Replacement 10

Postby Cockatrice » Sun May 27, 2018 11:25 pm

He proved himself a great player but as yet has no coaching experience.. not what we need no matter what the Ruan effect..
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Re: Replacement 10

Postby Snipe Watson » Sun May 27, 2018 11:55 pm

Cockatrice wrote:He proved himself a great player but as yet has no coaching experience.. not what we need no matter what the Ruan effect..

Coaching experience is vital in 95% of cases and under normal circumstances I would say it's a non-negotiable.
Ruan is not normal circumstances.
You get players who you just know are visionary and get the nuances of the game on a different level to normal mortals. Gregor Townsend was one and Ruan is of the same ilk.
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Re: Replacement 10

Postby Bart S » Mon May 28, 2018 5:20 am

Both Ruan and Jared have extensive experience of rugby outside of ulster which is a positive for me. However i still would be wary of loading up our frontline coaching team with ex players and especially recent ones.

Whilst Ruan is undoubtedly an ulster legend and great guy, ulster would need to think long and hard about what role to give him if he were to come back. I have heard a lot of good things in the past about how players have been learning from Jared Payne and he has always come across as an intelligent and visionary player who is also technically sound and organised.

So right now i would take Jared for the front line coaching team. Yes there should be a future role for Ruan if he wants it, butwhether he should be backs coach straight away i am not so sure.
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Re: Replacement 10

Postby Bogbunny » Mon May 28, 2018 6:51 am

Snipe Watson wrote:
Cockatrice wrote:He proved himself a great player but as yet has no coaching experience.. not what we need no matter what the Ruan effect..

Coaching experience is vital in 95% of cases and under normal circumstances I would say it's a non-negotiable.
Ruan is not normal circumstances.
You get players who you just know are visionary and get the nuances of the game on a different level to normal mortals. Gregor Townsend was one and Ruan is of the same ilk.



On the other hand, Martin Johnston, a greater player than both, was a disaster as coach.
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Re: Replacement 10

Postby BR » Mon May 28, 2018 7:44 am

I don't imagine anyone is seriously suggesting Pienaar comes here as anything like a frontline coach.
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Re: Replacement 10

Postby Liz Fraser » Mon May 28, 2018 8:48 am

Bogbunny wrote:
Snipe Watson wrote:
Cockatrice wrote:He proved himself a great player but as yet has no coaching experience.. not what we need no matter what the Ruan effect..

Coaching experience is vital in 95% of cases and under normal circumstances I would say it's a non-negotiable.
Ruan is not normal circumstances.
You get players who you just know are visionary and get the nuances of the game on a different level to normal mortals. Gregor Townsend was one and Ruan is of the same ilk.



On the other hand, Martin Johnston, a greater player than both, was a disaster as coach.

Johnson's knowledge of the game was second to none apparently.
When he was offered the England job he asked Clive Woodward for advice.
Woodward urged him to come to Leicester and earn his stripes first but Johnson decided if he did that the opportunity to manage England might not be offered again.
Logic to his argument and the problem here is with the people who appointed him.

The rest is history and after the disastrous world cup Johnson probably decided there was easier ways to make a living.
Had he earned his stripes I have little doubt he would have been a very capable manager/coach and still could.
Lancaster is a prime current example of how to turn round such disaster as he is probably now one of the most sought after coaches in the game.

Regarding Ruan I think he has the tools to be a great coach with his understanding of the game.
I would see Ulster as that type of 'earning his stripes' job he could take before getting a proper one.
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Re: Replacement 10

Postby BaggyTrousers » Mon May 28, 2018 9:28 am

shamalicious wrote:
Tedanica wrote:
Postby Eggs » Sat May 26, 2018 3:47 pm
I can’t be the only one who would feel sad to hear that Ruan is hanging up his boots early because the family aren’t happy in France?

Never mind the irony of him coming here as a coach when he could still add so much on the pitch


No you are not the only one I will be crying if he does hang up his boots right now and if his wife is pushing him ( Mrs Afoa syndrom?) she is not worth him.

Just read this :https://www.rugbyrama.fr/rugby/top-14/2017-2018/top-14-montpellier-pienaar-c-est-le-maitre-du-temps_sto6772691/story.shtml

Ruan Pienaar, un génie au sommet de sa forme et de son art.

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Abonnez-vous dès 7.90€/mois

Il joue à son rythme, contrôle le tempo offensif de Montpellier et rien ne semble pouvoir le perturber. Décisif sur les deux premiers essais de son équipe et auteur de dix-sept points au pied (100% de réussite), Ruan Pienaar a brillé de mille feux vendredi : "Il faut s’assoir, le regarder jouer et prendre du plaisir", s’amuse Fulgence Ouedraogo.

in Google translation: A demonstration of strength, experience and control, embodied by an extraordinary player. Ruan Pienaar, a genius at the peak of his form and art.


He plays at his own pace, controls the offensive tempo of Montpellier and nothing seems to be able to disturb him. Decisive on the first two tries of his team and author of seventeen points to the foot (100% success), Ruan Pienaar shone a thousand lights on Friday: "We must sit, watch it play and have fun", funny Fulgence Ouedraogo.
Aye, let's blame the wife sure. Not that HE didn't want to leave Ulster and HE wants to come back or anything.

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Well said Shammy, I believe it was a dumb post by Tendacious but not intentionally malicious. Clearly, he has missed the point that if his family are unhappy, Ruan will be unhappy, irrespective of how well he is playing, he has given me the impression that nothing is more important than family.

I'd also hazard a guess that if the opportunity is there for him, he will happily sacrifice a year or two of play to get what he is looking for long-term when it is available rather than hope it may crop up again in the future.

All that apart, Winker says it's bullshite and he has a certain connection who should know - ask Cockers. :lol:

I hope Montpellier win the Top14, feck NoVisa, Ruan needs another medal to keep his world cup one company. Where is Nacewa's RWC medal? Well, he played less than 3 minutes for Fiji and never even touched the ball in international rugby. Chube.
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Re: Replacement 10

Postby Amiga500 » Mon May 28, 2018 12:07 pm

If Ruan were to come back and play for Ulster "voluntarily"*, can the IRFU really say no?

*with wages coming from non IRFU soures?
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Re: Replacement 10

Postby rumncoke » Mon May 28, 2018 1:44 pm

He would still require to registered by the IRFU , who if it did not suit their purpose could deny registration



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