'The fact is that the FIRFU weighed up €12million of sponsorship against 2 players. The fact that they were Nordies, I believe, but cannot prove, made their decision to cave in to Bank of Ireland a no-brainer. 'BaggyTrousers wrote:Brian, I'm happy to treat you as a decent one, what you have said there chimes with what I understand to be the Christian way of doing things, I also call it simply treating people decently, I don't think you need to be a Christian to do so.Brian Dunn 382 wrote:Baggy, I consider myself a Christian- can’t comment on the decent. I agree with most of your post. I have not renewed my season ticket - still mulling it over. I don’t think any of us would agree with the treatment of the girl - even if it was consensual. However some have told me this is how young people now behave. I have every sympathy for the boys’ families and some sympathy for 2 silly young men. I feel strongly UR and IRFU had a duty of care towards them and they have behaved abominably by throwing money at them and telling them to go away.
I do not think this is the Christian approach and on reading the New Testament, Christ never condemned sinners. His only condemnation was for the religious hypocrites who set standards for other people, did nothing to help them live up to it and condemned them for their failure. Christians should recognise human frailty and mistakes and allow for remorse and forgiveness.
UR missed an opportunity to rehabilitate these 2 young men who have expressed remorse for their actions and could have led an educational campaign to educate young men (and women) throughout sport on how to behave off duty.
My opinions may be regarded as prudish but I was always taught to treat women with respect
I don't want to rehash a load about the trial, I think we, unlike others, have moved past that the decision has been made, we will not change it. My efforts now are simply to spread "truth" far and wide in an effort that I hope will eventually lead to Terry's downfall. I could wax all Churchillian and say it will be long, it will be hard and there will be no withdrawal, but that sounds far too much like a Murray/Zebo sex tape for my liking.
Seeing Terry off will not be an easy task, it will take people to remember that smug horribly self-satisfied look on his fizzer when he gloried in his claimed part in dismissing the two young gentlemen and a determination to publicly undermine him. I've got nothing but time and a long memory.
People need to remember that his interview, like his 2009 CV, contained a limited amount of truth. The fact is that the FIRFU weighed up €12million of sponsorship against 2 players. The fact that they were Nordies, I believe, but cannot prove, made their decision to cave in to Bank of Ireland a no-brainer. In all reality, if you are happy to consider money as trumping morality, then there genuinely was no other decision. I doubt the decision took more than a quick nod around the table.
What sickens me to my core is that they then presume to describe their decision as something it is not, it's not moral, it's not for the benefit of downtrodden women and has nothing to do with how young players should behave, in the wise words of Jessie J - it's all about the money. Anything else is just Terry Slogan telling lies.
I share your sentiments Brian about " I was always taught to treat women with respect", so was I and I very much do however as a wise Ulster supporting lady, Ruthie Kohner said somewhere, "instead of just blaming men, teach your own daughters to have a bit of respect for themselves". I will not go into things regarding the young lady, other than to say, she was not invited to Paddy's house, he had no idea who she was, she was also no stranger to the act of crying rape, nobody was convicted that time either, indeed like this time the evidence was not remotely enough to take it to court, indeed I believe the police dismissed it out of hand.... but with one appalling difference, despite the prosecution service here not wanted to proceed .......well we all know what happened.
I know people who know the two young gentlemen, I don't myself, none describe them as saints, indeed Paddy is a messer, but neither he nor Stuart are the despicable scumbags they have been presented to be and are held to be by the #Ibelieveher tendency, including many charlatans who describe themselves as journalists.
Anyway Brian, to conclude, unlike Terry and the avaricious FIRFU, I claim to be far from perfect but to be fairly moral, my morals will not allow me to watch a snake-oil salesman like Terry ruin the Ulster team I have loved for decades.
To the barricades, brothers & sisters, off with his head.
Agree with nearly everything you've posted on the state of Ulster Rugby recently, except for the bit about the IRFU having it in for us. I think Leinster are the favoured child of the IRFU - Munster and the Westies also have issues on that score - but that's a different argument from saying that we're discriminated against because we're Ulster. BOD's is right, hard though it is to hear. We are a basket case and we have to stop blaming everyone else for our problems, for they're largely of our own making.