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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:00 pm
by justinr73
You'll like the Melting Pot in Toulouse Neill.

Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:36 pm
by Neill_M
Possible draw combinations for Ulster from Pots 1-3

Toulouse, Chiefs, Ulster (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2, T14 3 sides in Pot 2**)
Toulouse, Gloucester, Ulster (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2, T14 3 sides in Pot 2*)
Toulouse, Saints, Ulster (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2, Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2)
Clermont, Chiefs, Ulster (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2, T14 3 sides in Pot 2**)
Clermont, Gloucester, Ulster (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2, T14 3 sides in Pot 2*)
Clermont, Saints, Ulster (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2, Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2)
Saracens, Lyon, Ulster (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2, T14 3 sides in Pot 2)
Toulouse, Ulster, Quins (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2)
Clermont, Ulster, Quins (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2)
Saracens, Ulster, La Rochelle (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2, T14 3 sides in Pot 2)
Saracens, Ulster, Racing 92 (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2)
Chiefs, Ulster, La Rochelle (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2, T14 3 sides in Pot 2)
Chiefs, Ulster, Racing 92 (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2)
Saracens, Toulouse, Ulster (T14 3 sides in Pot 2**)
Saracens, Clermont, Ulster (T14 3 sides in Pot 2**)
Chiefs, Lyon, Ulster (T14 3 sides in Pot 2)

*If side wins the Top 14 Final. ** Depends on who loses the Top 14 Final.
Equal 20% chance of drawing one of Benetton, Montpellier, Bath, Ospreys, Sale from Pot 4.

Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:26 pm
by Bobbievee
Only one thing sadder than somebody writing this tosh......and that is me reading it.
Can we just wait until the draw?

Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:29 pm
by Neill_M
Bobbievee wrote:Only one thing sadder than somebody writing this tosh......and that is me reading it.
Can we just wait until the draw?
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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:24 pm
by for dog and ulcer
Neill_M wrote:
Bobbievee wrote:Only one thing sadder than somebody writing this tosh......and that is me reading it.
Can we just wait until the draw?
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I appreciate Neill's effort made on the behalf of interested followers and also that someone other than the organisers can fathom the possible outcomes. I'm sure he could assist with Brexit discussions. And make it clear that the projected outcomes there are not simple and clear.

Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:36 pm
by Cap'n Grumpy
for dog and ulcer wrote:I appreciate Neill's effort made on the behalf of interested followers and also that someone other than the organisers can fathom the possible outcomes. I'm sure he could assist with Brexit discussions. And make it clear that the projected outcomes there are not simple and clear.
That's Snipe yer thinking of. :thumleft:

Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:10 am
by UlsterNo9
Bobbievee wrote:Only one thing sadder than somebody writing this tosh......and that is me reading it.
Can we just wait until the draw?
In the words of a man formerly of this parish.... away and ride your hand.

@Neill_M - Like yourself Neill I enjoy looking at all of the permutations and outcomes. Keep them coming good sir :thumleft:

Heineken Cup seeding.

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:28 am
by Neill_M
Previous format was messy, new and improved one below:

Possible draw combinations for Ulster from Pots 1-3

Premiership with 3 sides in Pot 2:

Toulouse, Chiefs, Ulster
Toulouse, Gloucester, Ulster
Toulouse, Saints, Ulster
Clermont, Chiefs, Ulster
Clermont, Gloucester, Ulster
Clermont, Saints, Ulster
Saracens, Lyon, Ulster

Pro 14 with 3 sides in Pot 2:

Toulouse, Ulster, Saints
Toulouse, Ulster, Quins
Clermont, Ulster, Saints
Clermont, Ulster, Quins
Saracens, Ulster, La Rochelle
Saracens, Ulster, Racing 92
Chiefs, Ulster, La Rochelle
Chiefs, Ulster, Racing 92

Top 14 with 3 sides in Pot 2:

Toulouse, Gloucester, Ulster
Saracens, Clermont, Ulster
Saracens, Lyon, Ulster
Saracens, La Rochelle, Ulster
Chiefs, Clermont, Ulster
Chiefs, Lyon, Ulster
Chiefs, La Rochelle, Ulster

Chance of Ulster Drawing following sides in Pots 1-3:

Toulouse 43% (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2) 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 14% (Top 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 27% (Overall)
Chiefs 29% (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2) 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 43% (Top 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 32% (Overall)
Gloucester 29% (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2) 14% (Top 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 14% (Overall)
Saints 29% (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2) 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 18% (Overall)
Clermont 43% (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2) 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 29% (Top 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 32% (Overall)
Saracens 14% (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2) 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 43% (Top 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 27% (Overall)
Lyon 14% (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2) 29% (Top 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 14% (Overall)
Quins 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 9% (Overall)
La Rochelle 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 29% (Top 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 18% (0verall)
Racing 92 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 9% (Overall)

Equal 20% chance of drawing one of Benetton, Montpellier, Bath, Ospreys, Sale from Pot 4 in each of the draw scenarios.

Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:20 pm
by Cap'n Grumpy
Any chance you could do those colour coded by country or even league to make them easier to read Neil? :duck:



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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:05 pm
by Neill_M
Cap'n Grumpy wrote:Any chance you could do those colour coded by country or even league to make them easier to read Neil? :duck:



Snigger
Done >EW

Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:20 pm
by justinr73
Saracens and Racing would be rubbish.

Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:28 pm
by Neill_M
justinr73 wrote:Saracens and Racing would be rubbish.
I agree, would be the worst teams from those respective leagues to draw. Would not be rushing to Sale or Ospreys either. Gloucester and either Toulouse/Clermont would be good. Lyon and Exeter would also be good.

Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:50 pm
by Cap'n Grumpy
Neill_M wrote:
Cap'n Grumpy wrote:Any chance you could do those colour coded by country or even league to make them easier to read Neil? :duck:



Snigger
Done >EW
Really? :scratch:

Did I mention that I have Tritanopia*?

:twisted:


*I don't really, and have no wish to trivialise this for those who have, but I couldn't resist.

Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:19 pm
by big mervyn
Cap'n Grumpy wrote:Any chance you could do those colour coded by country or even league to make them easier to read Neil? :duck:



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I'd prefer Ulster in red :duck:

Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Posted: Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:30 pm
by Neill_M
big mervyn wrote:
Cap'n Grumpy wrote:Any chance you could do those colour coded by country or even league to make them easier to read Neil? :duck:



Snigger
I'd prefer Ulster in red :duck:
Have to be careful with certain colour combos these dayImage