Heineken Cup seeding.

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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by Cap'n Grumpy » Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:09 am

Bobbievee wrote:Only one thing sadder than somebody writing this tosh......and that is me reading it.
Is that actually true?

Are there perhaps other things that are sadder?

Perhaps Neil could consider the alternatives and let us know the multiple and various options, along with percentage likelihood of those occurring, for you* to read?

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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by Neill_M » Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:50 pm

Neill_M wrote:Previous format was messy, new and improved one below:

Possible draw combinations for Ulster from Pots 1-3

Premiership with 3 sides in Pot 2:

Toulouse, Chiefs, Ulster
Toulouse, Gloucester, Ulster
Toulouse, Saints, Ulster
Clermont, Chiefs, Ulster
Clermont, Gloucester, Ulster
Clermont, Saints, Ulster
Saracens, Lyon, Ulster

Pro 14 with 3 sides in Pot 2:

Toulouse, Ulster, Saints
Toulouse, Ulster, Quins
Clermont, Ulster, Saints
Clermont, Ulster, Quins
Saracens, Ulster, La Rochelle
Saracens, Ulster, Racing 92
Chiefs, Ulster, La Rochelle
Chiefs, Ulster, Racing 92

Top 14 with 3 sides in Pot 2:

Toulouse, Gloucester, Ulster
Saracens, Clermont, Ulster
Saracens, Lyon, Ulster
Saracens, La Rochelle, Ulster
Chiefs, Clermont, Ulster
Chiefs, Lyon, Ulster
Chiefs, La Rochelle, Ulster

Chance of Ulster Drawing following sides in Pots 1-3:

Toulouse 43% (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2) 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 14% (Top 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 27% (Overall)
Chiefs 29% (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2) 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 43% (Top 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 32% (Overall)
Gloucester 29% (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2) 14% (Top 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 14% (Overall)
Saints 29% (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2) 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 18% (Overall)
Clermont 43% (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2) 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 29% (Top 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 32% (Overall)
Saracens 14% (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2) 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 43% (Top 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 27% (Overall)
Lyon 14% (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2) 29% (Top 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 14% (Overall)
Quins 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 9% (Overall)
La Rochelle 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 29% (Top 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 18% (0verall)
Racing 92 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 9% (Overall)

Equal 20% chance of drawing one of Benetton, Montpellier, Bath, Ospreys, Sale from Pot 4 in each of the draw scenarios.
Updated after Top 14 final.

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Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by Neill_M » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:34 am

Possible draw combinations for Ulster from Pots 1-3

Premiership with 3 sides in Pot 2:

Toulouse, Chiefs/Gloucester/Saints, Ulster
Clermont, Chiefs/Gloucester/Saints, Ulster
Saracens, Lyon, Ulster

Pro 14 with 3 sides in Pot 2:

Toulouse, Ulster, Saints/Quins
Clermont, Ulster, Saints/Quins
Saracens, Ulster, La Rochelle/Racing 92
Chiefs, Ulster, La Rochelle/Racing 92

Top 14 with 3 sides in Pot 2:

Toulouse, Gloucester, Ulster
Saracens, Clermont/Lyon/La Rochelle, Ulster
Chiefs, Clermont/Lyon/La Rochelle, Ulster

Equal chance of drawing one of Benetton, Montpellier, Bath, Ospreys, Sale from Pot 4 in all of the above scenarios.

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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by Neill_M » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:23 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zII6IkMKf8

Link to Youtube live stream of the draw from 1pm UK Time. Challenge Cup 1st, so maybe around 1:15pm for the Heineken Cup.

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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by justinr73 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:39 pm

Clermont

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Bath

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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by thecrouch » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:46 pm

Turnipstan will be unhappy at that draw.
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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by Gary » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:51 pm

No problem. Leinster get the easy group. Munster not so easy. Connacht go to Mr Brennan's pub.
I have a cunning plan...why not just leave things as they are but tell the Brexiteers that we have left the EU? After all they believe every lie that they were told by Boris and Nigel.

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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by justinr73 » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:55 pm

Is there an easier way to Clermont than the fairly lengthy train journey from Paris?

We don't do hiring cars though.

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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by MightyRearranger » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:58 pm

At first glance you'd expect both Leinster and Toulouse to qualify fairly easily, but the other three pools could all be fairly tight affairs. You'd also expect Clermont to be heavy favourites for our group, but the draw could have been a lot worse (c.f. Munster). Playing well we should have a decent shot of getting out of that group.

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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by Dave » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:05 pm

justinr73 wrote:Is there an easier way to Clermont than the fairly lengthy train journey from Paris?

We don't do hiring cars though.
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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by MightyRearranger » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:07 pm

justinr73 wrote:Is there an easier way to Clermont than the fairly lengthy train journey from Paris?

We don't do hiring cars though.
Lyon is probably slightly handier, it's about two hours drive from Clermont. At the minute you have to fly out to there from Dublin which adds some of the saved time back on, but Easyjet are to start flying there (infrequently) from December, so depending on the schedule it might definitely be the best option.

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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by MightyRearranger » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:08 pm

Does anyone know if the scheduling of the rounds is to change this year at all with the world cup?

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