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Ravenhill redevelopment

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Not sure if any of this is new but I was reading an interesting note from our esteemed CEO last night about the proposed redevelopment of Ravenhill. The plan is to go ahead with 3 new stands (the 4th at the Aquinas end has been dropped as funds are low).

Stand A - the stand to replace the beer tent will have 1126 seats and will be aimed at the family end of the market with a further 818 standing places. The stand will also incorporate players facilities/medical rooms etc underneath and have a spectators bar with canopy weather protection (whatever that means :? ).

Stand B - is to be built at the MT Merrion Ave side of the ground and will have a roof which also covers the new improved visibility terrace for 4204 of the great unwashed :D . This stand will also have 20 corporate boxes and press / tv facilities and seating for 278. The lower level will have 536 seats with general bar and restaurant facilities along with ‘considerable’ toilet facilities :P .

Stand C – will replace the existing stand with seating for 2395 and terracing for 2415. The stand will have ‘replacement hospitality’ facilities. Not sure if that means the average punter can use them or they will be restricted to the platinum brigade

This means the total capacity will be reduced from 12,300 to 11,772

Hopefully this also leaves an option at some stage to replace the lego box at the Aquinas end). Doesn't give timescales but states that a public meeting will be held at some stage with a date to be
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It seems new plans or proposals surface every now and then but nothing gets done.
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Wooops did not notice this thread :oops: :roll:
It has finally gone to planners :D so it's no longer a rumour :?
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ding dong2u wrote: The stand will have ‘replacement hospitality’ facilities.
I guess there has to be some compensation for not making the starting XV.
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and have a spectators bar with canopy weather protection (whatever that means ).
A tent.

Me fears that with the reduced capacity the supporters will be asked to fork out. Hopefully the corporate will stump up for their boxes. It would be a bit of a worry that say for example we do become quite successful which I hope we do the acquisition of tickets could be an art form.

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The same basic concept with some changes it would seem. Always was going to be a mix of corporate, seat and standing on the terrace side although I cannot accept that all catering and bar facilities on that side should be for corporate only with the terrace dwellers having to use the 'tent' under the end stand.

As for that end stand don't think there had been previous mention of any terrace until now but that was were they were always going to put the new facilities. It appears that the great unwashed do not warrant an inside bar but will now have a canopy to replace the tent. I have always thought that the great unwashed were worthy of something but clearly they don't bring the 'money' in compared with corporate.

The extent of new corporate boxes etc would suggest that the current ones are well used and retain a high occupancy rate during games to justify the extra ones.
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CT, if the corporate boxes are used as well as the corporate seats near me they will have someone in them for around 2 games per season :shock: but then again if they pay for them thats not our problem that they don't use them :roll:
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Rooster - The corporate boxes at the end of the ground are currently well underused so one would surely question the wisdon of providing more givne the lack of demand.

In defence however I accept that the demand might rise if as will be the case they are placed along the pitch rather than at one end. However the is nothign to suggest the demand is there.

I noted according to UR the stand was sold out for the Ospreys game yet there were a few seats splattered about that remained empty. The Treviso game I noted about 40-50 but as you say as long as they are paid for they can do what they want.

It would appear that the seats going into the new stand above the terrace will also be for corporate use and according the price will rise. What I find more difficult to accept is that all facilities on that side both restaurant and bar wise are exclusively for the corporate market.

I would like to have have seen some bars built down in behind the terrace area which would have surely have assisted in increased takings.
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On Friday, because I am given to getting lost and my condition is contagious, we spent a lot of time astray in Belfast, a circumstance which afforded me the chance to see several hundred streets which looked like the one where the terrifying incident with the Brit occurred. After a while you get to feel how different life is and you realise that a lot of other cities apart from Dublin should have grid-style street layouts.

On Friday our reason for being lost was that we were looking for an ice-skating rink. Our idea of good, clean fun is to shove the lil'uns out on to the ice all frail and shivery and then watch them slip and slide like greased pigs back towards the railings. All good fun until somebody loses fingers under a passing blade and we have to sue for the loss of the colossal earnings of a potential classical pianist.

Anyway, in search of ice we travelled first to the Odyssey. The words "travelling to the Odyssey" make the short trek across the bridge sound like an adventure which should perhaps only be undertaken by the Starship Enterprise but when you travel with me and count in the time spent being aimlessly lost, well, every journey is epic.

Anyway the Odyssey is something of (sorry) an oddity. A fine idea to revitalise a piece of dockland yet one which doesn't seem to have made the connection with the city. Not that the Odyssey isn't commercially successful - I'm sure it is. It just appears that nothing much has been spawned around it. We came out and drove down a long, straight road towards the motorway and it reminded me of another long, straight road I was lost on a few years ago in the ruined downtown of Detroit.

Behind us the Odyssey just sat in looming isolation. The ice rink turned out to be near the airport. It took us a good - no, a tense - hour to travel to the wrong airport and then back to the right one. Two airports! Who knew? Ice rinks are a splendid idea and Dublin should have one.

In Dundonald what seemed like thousands of teenage kids were slipping and sliding about the place, conspicuously oblivious, it seemed, to the attractions of getting alcoholic drink down them or buying gear to inject themselves with. I noticed (because I am unreconstructed and just can't help it) lots of Rangers jerseys and a few English national shirts on the skaters but no county jerseys or Celtic hoops. Do Taigs not skate? Are we not past the politics of skate?

We watched the rosy-cheeked youth of Dundonald go round and round the rink with arms swinging purposefully and legs striding out across the perfect white sheeting beneath their skates. Is this where the Orange Orders practise marching? With bowlers and sashes you could effect virtually the same movement. (Memo to self: The Twalfth on Ice? Explore development deal for amusing musical show or icescapade along the lines of West Side Story.)

Anyway, enough digression. Almost all my encounters with Belfast prior to becoming a sports journalist (this includes the brutally oppressive eyeballing by a trigger-happy armed member of the forces of occupation, at what has since been recognised as a singularly low point in The Troubles) took place under the influence of politics or drink.

Until I began covering sports events in Casement Park and Windsor Park I could never quite reconcile the dourness of the politics with the happy fervour of the drinking and partying. It would be nice to say that sport in Belfast is a common passion but it isn't. It's two separate, delineated passions which unintentionally find a similar form of expression. In Casement and Windsor, on those days when everyone is transfixed by sport, you can taste the salt of Belfast's personality.

What I have always liked about both venues - apart from certain grisly elements in their histories - is their accessibility. Both are fine grounds to walk to and they provide some of the sense of Belfast as a defiant, living city.

All of which makes the proposed stadium out at the site of Long Kesh, near Lisburn, more of a curiosity than it should be. The British government, thrifty as your maiden aunt, have the site of the old prison lying out there. Rather than waste it or permit it to become part of the memorials circuit, they propose an £80-million, 42,500-seater stadium to be built by 2010 and shared by the GAA, soccer and rugby.

The GAA last week became first to sign up for the deal. I'm not sure why. Some of the people who argued that they would do away with themselves by means of gruesome use of pencil sharpeners before they'd see a Union Jack fly in Croke Park or hear God Save The Queen being parped there are happy enough to sign up our amateur game to groundshare with the professionals in a site paid for with money that came from the Royal Mint, in a stadium built on the site where 10 republicans, some of them GAA men, starved themselves to death.

I'm not saying they are wrong; I'm just saying I am curious and baffled. The Ulster Council of the GAA (so cussedly partitionist a body that they have almost seceded from the GAA) have taken to playing their big games in Croke Park and play their lesser games in Clones (45,000 capacity) or in Casement (32,500) - have they something to bring to this party? I'm not sure.

Will the Ulster Council be allowed to import en masse the surliest collection of maors ever to wear bibs, the Clones stewards? If so I can see where the entire thing is going. If those boys told the Orange Order they couldn't march down this street or that road - well, they wouldn't be marching and that would be it.

What will a stadium in Lisburn offer the GAA people of West Belfast? What will Lisburn offer the GAA? Something different one hopes from what it has offered St Patrick's GAA club during their 40-year wanderings and struggle to survive.

It is said that perhaps the GAA will be using the new stadium for one of the International Rules games which come here every second year. A United Ireland side being dismembered by Colonials. It could be a tricky sell.

What are the ramifications of all this? The GAA has agreed to pony up some rent but apart from dragging the GAA people of West Belfast down the M1 to Lisburn to see the occasional game it's hard to see why the stadium should exist at all and especially hard to see why it should be planted in so inaccessible a spot. Windsor Park's current capacity of 14,000 is adequate to cater for the needs of just about all those who like to bait Celtic players and watch low-scoring international games.

And rugby? Will the IRFU be taking events from Lansdowne (which remember could just have preliminaryplanning permission by late 2010) to the new facility up north. Are two similar-sized rugby stadia viable? What about the money being put into revamping Ravenhill, the home of Ulster rugby? What about the redeveloped Casement? Back in 1992 Derry and Down played there and attracted 35,000. Since then the ground has undergone two separate redevelopments and the Ulster council has spent £43 million in the last four years redeveloping county grounds around the province as well as a similar sum developing two secondary grounds in each county.

Casement was the biggest beneficiary of this and along with Clones and Breffni Park has been targeted by for still further development. So where does the place just outside of Lisburn fit in? All the answers to this are, one presumes, in the gift of the Strategic Investment Board, the NI agency in charge of the stadium. Oddly, according to last week's Observer, the SIB are blocking demands (under the Freedom of Information Act) for all such information .

The stadium, it is said, will be modelled on the lovely, sturdy Dragao stadium in Portugal. Very nice. The concept of different classes and creeds all sharing the same cathedral of sport is very nice too, but when three sports bodies, none of whom have an apparent need for such a facility, sign up to that facility regardless of the needs of their fans you have to wonder a little what else is going on in terms of whispered promises.

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Aarons

Nice post, entertaining article. Re Ravenhill I noticed again on Friday that the pigeonlofts are not all occupied on match nights. Sorry I mean the corporate facilities. Surely we don't need more of this downmarket crap at Ravenhill?

Regarding the covered facility I think this sounds like a carport - the beerand wine stays dry, but you get soaked. Well, you know what I mean!!
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Colin - I was just adding to your post! I thought your take on the article was spot on.
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Thanks Aaron ........ it saved me typing out reams and reams as I am too tight to subscribe.

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D&U - The boxes are under used yet UR appear set that they form a major part of the development and indeed that it is extra private money from corporate sources that is getting the development built.

As such the several thousand that stand on the terrace bring nothing to the table and get nothing in return apart from a roof one presumes. One bar is too much and we must make do with a canopy (is that not posh food or something)
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