BuckRogers wrote:I have a feeling in my waters that Schmidt rates Cave higher than a lot of people here and elsewhere give him credit for.
Disclaimer-Naturally I could be completely wide of the mark.
Schmidt, is known to have said , He does not care how fast a player runs but how fast he thinks, Cave is then ideal
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rorybestsbigbaldnoggin wrote:I would also like to see Cave go, but - is there anything to the notion that D'Arcy is (at least nominally) also capable of covering 13? Started (?) his career there, has covered there for Ireland & Leinster in the past, etc etc . . .
I know it's thin, but if we take another centre I'd see it as neck and neck between D'Arcy and Cave.
EDIT - When I say "I'd see it as . . .", I mean Schmidt would have them neck-and-neck. Cave is, in my opinion, a far better choice.
No doubt D'Arcy can cover 13. Indeed, I'd say that D'Arcy would probably have been a better 13 than 12... Of course, that doesn't change the fact that he is very much a spent force, now, as his season for Leinster would attest. D'Arcy has a significant edge on experience. I think Cave on everything else.
BuckRogers wrote:I have a feeling in my waters that Schmidt rates Cave higher than a lot of people here and elsewhere give him credit for.
Disclaimer-Naturally I could be completely wide of the mark.
Me too. On both points. Which is why I think Cave will go.
Shan wrote:The main issue here is that Cave isn't much of a full back. That may go against him even if Joe likes him.
Nope... But assuming all of Kearney, Jones, Madigan and Payne are going (not to mention that Fitzgerald has played 15 for Ireland in the past, as has Zebo, whilst Bowe and Gilroy have done the job at provincial level), I don't think we need worry about that. I'd say the call will be either be six props and two specialist centres or five props and three centres; in the latter case, I think Cave will go.
Six props would be a solid shout if there were six props of a high enough standard and the world cup was in a very different timezone. Three centres should be the call in this situation given that none of the outside backs are up to the mark when it comes to centre play (inc Earls and Fitzgerald).
Shan wrote:The main issue here is that Cave isn't much of a full back. That may go against him even if Joe likes him.
Nope... But assuming all of Kearney, Jones, Madigan and Payne are going (not to mention that Fitzgerald has played 15 for Ireland in the past, as has Zebo, whilst Bowe and Gilroy have done the job at provincial level), I don't think we need worry about that. I'd say the call will be either be six props and two specialist centres or five props and three centres; in the latter case, I think Cave will go.
I assume (hope!) Shan was joking, and if he was, it was funny he likes his full-backs, does Joe.
Neil F wrote:
rorybestsbigbaldnoggin wrote:I would also like to see Cave go, but - is there anything to the notion that D'Arcy is (at least nominally) also capable of covering 13? Started (?) his career there, has covered there for Ireland & Leinster in the past, etc etc . . .
I know it's thin, but if we take another centre I'd see it as neck and neck between D'Arcy and Cave.
EDIT - When I say "I'd see it as . . .", I mean Schmidt would have them neck-and-neck. Cave is, in my opinion, a far better choice.
No doubt D'Arcy can cover 13. Indeed, I'd say that D'Arcy would probably have been a better 13 than 12... Of course, that doesn't change the fact that he is very much a spent force, now, as his season for Leinster would attest. D'Arcy has a significant edge on experience. I think Cave on everything else.
BuckRogers wrote:I have a feeling in my waters that Schmidt rates Cave higher than a lot of people here and elsewhere give him credit for.
Disclaimer-Naturally I could be completely wide of the mark.
Me too. On both points. Which is why I think Cave will go.
To be clear Neil, I completely agree with you that Cave would be the better choice, just playing devil's advocate.
What with Trimble's rise to Test-level glory, it's easy to forget: in the HC pool matches preceding the selections for the 2013 Autumn Internationals, Trimble made a couple of blunders. Schmidt didn't pick him, and Ulster fans were rightly miffed that Joe had (in our approximate view) missed the wood for the trees in excluding an excellent player based on individual mistakes.
Fast forward 6 months, and Trimble has been given (and completed) an extensive list of "homework", and is looking the most "Test-player"ish he has ever looked, having just won 6 Nations and Irish player of the year.
It is not outwith the realms of possibility that the same will happen to Cave, though not necessarily to the same extent, between the 6Ns and World Cup.
Prof era or not the fact is age and injuries take there toll .
And there is a reason why the average age of those who died in Vietnam was 19 and not 35 .
And while a rugby match is not war in terms of human conditioning similar rules apply.
It's the case of Old Bull and Young Bull
Young Bull " let's run down the hill and ---- a couple of cows "
Old Bull " let's walk down the hill and ---- the herd "
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Shan wrote:The main issue here is that Cave isn't much of a full back. That may go against him even if Joe likes him.
Fibber Joe doesn't like Cave.......... just thinks he's amongst the best tackle-beg holders on the country.
More seriously, yes it's good to have few genuinely versatile players - even Quiff - such as the wonderful Henderson but it would be a huge mistake to fill the squad with guys who aren't good enough in any one position, just for the sake of what will probably prove unfulfilled eventualities.
EG That feckin' puddin' Fitzgerald could be as versatile as Paul Madeley, I wouldn't have him near an Ireland squad - he's a dunce.
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Shan wrote:The main issue here is that Cave isn't much of a full back.
How do you know?
It used to be said that what went against him was that he could only play 13 but when asked to play 12, he has done remarkably well - who's to say he couldn't play 15 too?
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rumncoke wrote:And there is a reason why the average age of those who died in Vietnam was 19 and not 35 .
Wrong - the average age of those who died was 23 (assuming you mean American service personnel).
I'm not arguing -
I'm just explaining why I'm right
MCBwinwinwin wrote:Was anyone surprised that Diack isn't even included at this stage?
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Yes. We have such a paucity of talent in the backrow it is not just surprising but shocking that we'd leave out a guy at this stage who is somewhat competent at mid rank Pro12 level.
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he likes his full-backs, does Joe.
