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Re: Japan RWC

Postby Dublin4 » Mon May 27, 2019 11:29 am

Sean O'Brien won't be there anyway. Hip operation number whatever.
it looks hard to see his career restarting at London Irish.
He was a real star of Irish rugby but getting only 56 caps over the last ten years shows you how attritional being a back row is. It could be worse - look at Leavy's plight at 24 years of age.
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Re: Japan RWC

Postby Bart S » Mon May 27, 2019 12:41 pm

Indeed. Top player in his day and the fact he only got 56 caps says a lot about the attritional nature of his game. I read somewhere that he was only involved in 1 of Ireland's 3 championship winning sides, with no grand slam nor win over the AB's. He can still be rightly proud of all he achieved.
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Re: Japan RWC

Postby Dave » Tue May 28, 2019 12:46 pm

IRELAND Training Squad
Forwards (24)
Finlay Bealham (Buccaneers/Connacht) 9 caps
Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster) 117 caps
Tadhg Beirne (Lansdowne/Munster) 5 caps
Jack Conan (Old Belvedere/Leinster) 14 caps
Sean Cronin (St Mary’s College/Leinster) 68 caps
Ultan Dillane (Corinthians/Connacht) 14 caps
Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 33 caps
Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 88 caps
Iain Henderson (Queens University/Ulster) 44 caps
Rob Herring (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 7 caps
Dave Kilcoyne (UL Bohemians/Munster) 29 caps
Jean Kleyn (Munster) 0 caps
Jack McGrath (St Marys College/Leinster) 54 caps
Jordi Murphy (Lansdowne/Ulster) 27 caps
Tommy O’Donnell (UL Bohemians/Munster) 12 caps
Peter O’Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 57 caps
Andrew Porter (UCD/Leinster) 14 caps
Rhys Ruddock (Lansdowne/Leinster) 21 caps
James Ryan (UCD/Leinster) 17 caps
John Ryan (Cork Constitution/Munster) 18 caps
Niall Scannell (Dolphin/Munster) 14 caps
CJ Stander (Shannon/Munster) 31 caps
Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 64 caps
Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster) 17 caps
Backs (20)
Bundee Aki (Galwegians/Connacht) 17 caps
Ross Byrne (UCD/Leinster) 2 caps
Joey Carbery (Clontarf/Munster) 18 caps
Jack Carty (Buccaneers/Connacht) 3 caps
Andrew Conway (Garryowen/Munster) 12 caps
John Cooney (Terenure College/Ulster) 8 caps
Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster) 77 caps
Chris Farrell (Young Munster/Munster) 5 caps
Mike Haley (Munster) 0 caps
Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 37 caps
Dave Kearney (Lansdowne/Leinster) 17 caps
Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 90 caps
Jordan Larmour (St Mary’s College/Leinster) 13 caps
Kieran Marmion (Galwegians/Connacht) 25 caps
Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster) 10 caps
Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 72 caps
Garry Ringrose (UCD/Leinster) 20 caps
Rory Scannell (Dolphin/Munster) 3 caps
Jonathan Sexton (St Marys College/Leinster) 83 caps
Jacob Stockdale (Lurgan/Ulster) 19 caps
Unavailable due to injury:
Dan Leavy (Leinster)
Sean O’Brien (Leinster)
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Re: Japan RWC

Postby UlsterNo9 » Tue May 28, 2019 2:35 pm

Healy
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Furlong
Ryan
Toner
O'Mahony
VanDerFlier
Conan
Murray
Sexton
Stockdale
Aki
Ringrose
Earls
Kearney

Cronin
Kilcoyne
J Ryan
Henderson
Murphy
Marmion
Carberry
Larmour

Pick another 8 and job done
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Re: Japan RWC

Postby Dave » Tue May 28, 2019 2:51 pm

If Joe is taking a punt on the likes of Haley at this stage then McCloskey must consider himself unlucky. I thought he might get a run at a training camp at least before being cut at a later stage.
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Re: Japan RWC

Postby Jackie Brown » Tue May 28, 2019 2:54 pm

Nothing worse than Joe Schmidt scorned. Still huffing over McCloskey not sitting by the phone and instead going off with his mates to the Euros.

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Re: Japan RWC

Postby Dave » Tue May 28, 2019 3:16 pm

UlsterNo9 wrote:Healy
Best
Furlong
Ryan
Toner
O'Mahony
VanDerFlier
Conan
Murray
Sexton
Stockdale
Aki
Ringrose
Earls
Kearney

Cronin
Kilcoyne
J Ryan
Henderson
Murphy
Marmion
Carberry
Larmour

Pick another 8 and job done


1. Another prop. McGrath or Porter.

2/3. Henshaw and Stander for sure.

4. Another 9, probably Luke McGrath possibly Cooney.

5. Another hooker: Herring/Scannell.

6. Another second row: Beirne.

7. Utility back. Addison if fit or Conway.

8. Possibly a 10 like Carty or Scannell who can cover 10/centre. Some say Cooney could cover 10 but Joe barely rates him at 9. This will be the biggest headache.
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Re: Japan RWC

Postby jean valjean » Tue May 28, 2019 4:45 pm

Haley only there to justify his move to ireland. Assume the squad can be added to at any time, so would expect addison to feature at some point (if fit).

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Re: Japan RWC

Postby jean valjean » Tue May 28, 2019 8:06 pm

Just read on D4 forum that addison may not play again. Can someone in the know add anything? Please....

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Re: Japan RWC

Postby rumncoke » Tue May 28, 2019 9:37 pm

I think there will a ( a match best 23 ) for the Scottish match - the bench starting the next game with some of the starters against the Scots . Sexton being rested during one pool game .

Thus I believe he’ll take at least 3 out halfs

Feel for McCloskey when you see Dave Kearney in the mix along wit Chris Farrell and Scannell .

It’s not as if the Munster Back line has been an attacking force scaring the opposition .

Munster seem to have a good defense but I consider this has been based round the back row rather than having a super mid field partnership .

With Rab Kearney now on a one year contract not that surprised to see Haley being introduced to the set up would be surprised to see him on the plane to Japan .




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Re: Japan RWC

Postby UlsterNo9 » Tue May 28, 2019 11:50 pm

Dave wrote:
UlsterNo9 wrote:Healy
Best
Furlong
Ryan
Toner
O'Mahony
VanDerFlier
Conan
Murray
Sexton
Stockdale
Aki
Ringrose
Earls
Kearney

Cronin
Kilcoyne
J Ryan
Henderson
Murphy
Marmion
Carberry
Larmour

Pick another 8 and job done


1. Another prop. McGrath or Porter.

2/3. Henshaw and Stander for sure.

4. Another 9, probably Luke McGrath possibly Cooney.

5. Another hooker: Herring/Scannell.

6. Another second row: Beirne.

7. Utility back. Addison if fit or Conway.

8. Possibly a 10 like Carty or Scannell who can cover 10/centre. Some say Cooney could cover 10 but Joe barely rates him at 9. This will be the biggest headache.


I've a feeling he'll go with Ruddock over Bierne. Could see Ruddock captaining vs Russia and Japan, he also covers 2nd row.

I don't know why but I think he'll take Cooney to cover 9, 10 and goal kick. You're not going to bring both a 3rd choice scrum and out half who wont get significant game time. If indeed you bring a 3rd choice scrum half it makes no sense for it to be McGrath.
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Re: Japan RWC

Postby Dave » Wed May 29, 2019 9:57 am

UlsterNo9 wrote:
Dave wrote:
UlsterNo9 wrote:Healy
Best
Furlong
Ryan
Toner
O'Mahony
VanDerFlier
Conan
Murray
Sexton
Stockdale
Aki
Ringrose
Earls
Kearney

Cronin
Kilcoyne
J Ryan
Henderson
Murphy
Marmion
Carberry
Larmour

Pick another 8 and job done


1. Another prop. McGrath or Porter.

2/3. Henshaw and Stander for sure.

4. Another 9, probably Luke McGrath possibly Cooney.

5. Another hooker: Herring/Scannell.

6. Another second row: Beirne.

7. Utility back. Addison if fit or Conway.

8. Possibly a 10 like Carty or Scannell who can cover 10/centre. Some say Cooney could cover 10 but Joe barely rates him at 9. This will be the biggest headache.


I've a feeling he'll go with Ruddock over Bierne. Could see Ruddock captaining vs Russia and Japan, he also covers 2nd row.

I don't know why but I think he'll take Cooney to cover 9, 10 and goal kick. You're not going to bring both a 3rd choice scrum and out half who wont get significant game time. If indeed you bring a 3rd choice scrum half it makes no sense for it to be McGrath.
I think with Beirne and Hendo offering 6 cover, I'm not sure Ruddock will make the final squad. I'm basing this on what I think Joe will do. Particularly since Beirne plays more like a backrow.

I'm with you on Cooney but I don't think Joe trusts him. The goal kicking aspect might help. I think though as Cooney has not had any significant game time at 10, Joe may not consider him as a realistic option. Sexton and Carbery have both had their injury issues this season.
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Re: Japan RWC

Postby rumncoke » Thu May 30, 2019 5:23 am

At International level neither Beirne or Henderson are go enough to start at 6 both might do the job off the bench if injury forces them into that role but both are more natural mobile second rows .

At this stage I doubt if playing either at 6 is part of Joes thinking


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Re: Japan RWC

Postby pwrmoore » Thu May 30, 2019 8:27 am

jean valjean wrote:Just read on D4 forum that addison may not play again. Can someone in the know add anything? Please....

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That would be a big loss. Hope it isn't true. I don't like to see players forced to retire though injury.
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Re: Japan RWC

Postby Setanta » Thu May 30, 2019 9:21 am

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