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How would you vote in a border poll?

Yes, to Irish Unity
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57%
No, stay with England, Wales and Scotland
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43%
 
Total votes : 30

Re: Irish Unity

Postby promenader 2 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:46 pm

solidarity wrote:I've heard people talk of some sort of federal arrangement but that would keep a parliament of sorts at Stormont and that's the last thing we need.

I agree. If we're going to have an agreed new Ireland, at least let's have one Parliament with some grown up politics going on inside. I don't fancy being stuck up this end of the island being misruled by the usual DUP-SF combination.
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Re: Irish Unity

Postby Gary » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:47 pm

I've chosen to leave the increasingly right-wing and selfish England behind. But the conditions of the Border Poll must be made much more detailed than the farce of the Brexit vote. If the Border Poll shows a majority in favour of Irish unity, then provision should be made for a confirmation vote on the actual constitutional details which are agreed by the relevant parliaments. Only a federal system would probably have the necessary support.
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Re: Irish Unity

Postby Lurgan Lad » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:16 pm

Would still stay part of Britain. Don't like tiers of government that are useless and feel that about the EU, Stormont is also a disaster and to me is a result of the Good Friday Agreement and needing 50% of both sides to sign anything off. Given the demographics we now have having just a total majority on a vote is all that is needed, and would increase the power of parties of the centre ground.
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Re: Irish Unity

Postby Dave » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:53 pm

Project fear will keep us in...
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Re: Irish Unity

Postby Frank » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:43 pm

Not sure I could handle all that fiddling and jiggling millarchy.
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Re: Irish Unity

Postby big mervyn » Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:52 pm

Frank wrote:Not sure I could handle all that fiddling and jiggling millarchy.

Stay away from the clergy and you'll be safe enough :thumleft:
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Re: Irish Unity

Postby Dave » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:33 pm

*malarkey
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Re: Irish Unity

Postby Frank » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:52 pm

Oh ta for that. What a Kaflufal
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Re: Irish Unity

Postby Dave » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:53 pm

Sorry Baz, but I preferred Liz.
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Re: Irish Unity

Postby Frank » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:10 am

Dave I was once married to a woman. At first all those little things that used to irritate me you know the look, the glare, the tut when you did something worst descrbed as mildly wrong, the occasional impromptu visit from her mother . Then you think those things, those minor irritants will simply fade with time and the boundless love flame that ignites the very mantle of your burning heart will extinguish all with the slip of a simple ring upon her finger.
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Re: Irish Unity

Postby Rooster » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:51 am

Unity here from a Unionist, again partially because I would be better off financially and secondly have no fear at all of being in the minority religion wise as know the project fear from DUP and others is rubbish.
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Re: Irish Unity

Postby Rooster » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:55 am

damianmcr wrote:Nah and mainly from a purely selfish point of view that I'm employed by the NICS. Otherwise yes.

Pre Brexit it was a definite no.
You are one of those who throw the unionist/nationalist theory touted by DUP/SF that people will vote on religious grounds yet again, they tend to forget that people will vote on the financial implications for themselves rather on what religion they just happened to be born into.
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Re: Irish Unity

Postby Snipe Watson » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:51 pm

Rooster wrote:
damianmcr wrote:Nah and mainly from a purely selfish point of view that I'm employed by the NICS. Otherwise yes.

Pre Brexit it was a definite no.
You are one of those who throw the unionist/nationalist theory touted by DUP/SF that people will vote on religious grounds yet again, they tend to forget that people will vote on the financial implications for themselves rather on what religion they just happened to be born into.

Quite correct. Irish unity as an ideal is one thing, as a reality it's entirely different and isn't going to happen any time soon because people will be better off in the UK.
The republic's economy is a basket case overly reliant on FDI. The republic's economy would be crippled by a no deal Brexit and the rest of the EU will take considerable damage too.
Therefore there will be a deal done at the last minute on 29 March. It's a high stakes game of chicken and from what I've seen the EU is twitchier than the UK. I think they'll blink first as they have more to lose and fudge is what the EU does best.
Of course the EU are hoping for an extension in the hope that the remoaners will gain some traction and force a second referendum with a different outcome. Can't see Mrs. May being soft enough to give them any breathing room so that'll not be happening either.

Of course I could be wrong. What would I know?
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Re: Irish Unity

Postby Cap'n Grumpy » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:22 pm

Snipe Watson wrote:
Rooster wrote:
damianmcr wrote:Nah and mainly from a purely selfish point of view that I'm employed by the NICS. Otherwise yes.

Pre Brexit it was a definite no.
You are one of those who throw the unionist/nationalist theory touted by DUP/SF that people will vote on religious grounds yet again, they tend to forget that people will vote on the financial implications for themselves rather on what religion they just happened to be born into.

Quite correct. Irish unity as an ideal is one thing, as a reality it's entirely different and isn't going to happen any time soon because people will be better off in the UK.
The republic's economy is a basket case overly reliant on FDI. The republic's economy would be crippled by a no deal Brexit and the rest of the EU will take considerable damage too.
Therefore there will be a deal done at the last minute on 29 March. It's a high stakes game of chicken and from what I've seen the EU is twitchier than the UK. I think they'll blink first as they have more to lose and fudge is what the EU does best.
Of course the EU are hoping for an extension in the hope that the remoaners will gain some traction and force a second referendum with a different outcome. Can't see Mrs. May being soft enough to give them any breathing room so that'll not be happening either.

Of course I could be wrong. What would I know?

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Snipe Watson wrote:That's me away again, arrivederci. :salut:

Oh!

Okay then

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Re: Irish Unity

Postby namron » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:43 pm

Irish Unity ..that old chestnut. An Island never that has never been truly united from the FirBolgs to the Gaels ,Vikings ,Dalriada,Normans ,Saxons and all manner of Colour between them. A unity of hearts must occur before fiscal unity. That wont happen anytime soon, I fear unless We abandon the current political system and everyone just does as I say :lol:
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