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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Post by BaggyTrousers » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:58 pm

BR wrote:
BaggyTrousers wrote:
Russ wrote:Seems sensible
Not refused service because he was gay (how were Ashers to know?)
Decided not to make the cake once they realised the message they were effectively being asked to endorse was not one they agreed with

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That is a monstrously stupid post, Toryboy. Imagine that instead of being a financial charlatan, you ran a printing business. I come in as the purveyor of fine coffee. I provide you with the following script: Cafe Baggy, home of the best coffee in town.

Now think carefully, by printing this for me to distribute are you endorsing my cafe? Are you in any way suggesting that you, a mere sweaty print-stained order boy, really advising the world that Cafe Baggy supplies the best coffee in town?

Of course not you silly Toryboy. That has been the most absurd of all arguments in this whole nonsense, notwithstanding it has been put forward by people as equally absurd as yourself.

Have I mentioned I hope Ashers proprietors die soon?
The perceived endorsing of your coffee is not the issue, Baggy. If Russ's conscience dictates that Clements' coffee is better than yours, it is contrary to his human rights to compel him to state otherwise.
BR, did you read Russ's post, it's very clear that that is exactly his issue, what he discussed was "endorsing the message", that is bullshite of the first water. By all means, bring up anything you feel like but stay on message*** old hand, I'm dealing with his bullshite about an endorsement, nothing else.

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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Post by BaggyTrousers » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:59 pm

Russ wrote:
BaggyTrousers wrote:
Russ wrote:
BaggyTrousers wrote:
Russ wrote:Seems sensible
Not refused service because he was gay (how were Ashers to know?)
Decided not to make the cake once they realised the message they were effectively being asked to endorse was not one they agreed with

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That is a monstrously stupid post, Toryboy. Imagine that instead of being a financial charlatan, you ran a printing business. I come in as the purveyor of fine coffee. I provide you with the following script: Cafe Baggy, home of the best coffee in town.

Now think carefully, by printing this for me to distribute are you endorsing my cafe? Are you in any way suggesting that you, a mere sweaty print-stained order boy, really advising the world that Cafe Baggy supplies the best coffee in town?

Of course not you silly Toryboy. That has been the most absurd of all arguments in this whole nonsense, notwithstanding it has been put forward by people as equally absurd as yourself.

Have I mentioned I hope Ashers proprietors die soon?
If I didn't agree with how you sourced coffee then I'd be within my rights to not print the posters

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Don't be absurd Toryboy, how in fu'ck's name do you think you would have any idea where or how I sourced my product, more realistically if you tell me that as a printer you would investigate where a client gets their product I submit to you that you would quickly be an ex-printer looking for a job.

Or, here is another weird thought, you could concentrate on the issue put to you, to wit, printing the leaflet is in no way endorsing the product.

Nice attempted sidestep, didn't work.
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Bitch, you're trippin'
Support the team and coaching staff. Forget the rest,BUT NEVER MOVE ON.

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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Post by Russ » Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:05 pm

BaggyTrousers wrote:
Russ wrote:
BaggyTrousers wrote:
Russ wrote:
BaggyTrousers wrote: That is a monstrously stupid post, Toryboy. Imagine that instead of being a financial charlatan, you ran a printing business. I come in as the purveyor of fine coffee. I provide you with the following script: Cafe Baggy, home of the best coffee in town.

Now think carefully, by printing this for me to distribute are you endorsing my cafe? Are you in any way suggesting that you, a mere sweaty print-stained order boy, really advising the world that Cafe Baggy supplies the best coffee in town?

Of course not you silly Toryboy. That has been the most absurd of all arguments in this whole nonsense, notwithstanding it has been put forward by people as equally absurd as yourself.

Have I mentioned I hope Ashers proprietors die soon?
If I didn't agree with how you sourced coffee then I'd be within my rights to not print the posters

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Don't be absurd Toryboy, how in fu'ck's name do you think you would have any idea where or how I sourced my product, more realistically if you tell me that as a printer you would investigate where a client gets their product I submit to you that you would quickly be an ex-printer looking for a job.

Or, here is another weird thought, you could concentrate on the issue put to you, to wit, printing the leaflet is in no way endorsing the product.

Nice attempted sidestep, didn't work.
Tories sadly made it a requirement to do sanctions, terrorist and political checks on people you do business with

It's going to hit some firms really hard very soon



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Bitch, you're trippin'
It's completely fecking some UK industries right now
Banking
Insurance
Oil and Gas

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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Post by BR » Wed Oct 10, 2018 4:19 pm

BaggyTrousers wrote:
BR wrote:
BaggyTrousers wrote:
Russ wrote:Seems sensible
Not refused service because he was gay (how were Ashers to know?)
Decided not to make the cake once they realised the message they were effectively being asked to endorse was not one they agreed with

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That is a monstrously stupid post, Toryboy. Imagine that instead of being a financial charlatan, you ran a printing business. I come in as the purveyor of fine coffee. I provide you with the following script: Cafe Baggy, home of the best coffee in town.

Now think carefully, by printing this for me to distribute are you endorsing my cafe? Are you in any way suggesting that you, a mere sweaty print-stained order boy, really advising the world that Cafe Baggy supplies the best coffee in town?

Of course not you silly Toryboy. That has been the most absurd of all arguments in this whole nonsense, notwithstanding it has been put forward by people as equally absurd as yourself.

Have I mentioned I hope Ashers proprietors die soon?
The perceived endorsing of your coffee is not the issue, Baggy. If Russ's conscience dictates that Clements' coffee is better than yours, it is contrary to his human rights to compel him to state otherwise.
BR, did you read Russ's post, it's very clear that that is exactly his issue, what he discussed was "endorsing the message", that is bullshite of the first water. By all means, bring up anything you feel like but stay on message*** old hand, I'm dealing with his bullshite about an endorsement, nothing else.

*** yes I do understand that this >Off_Topic_Man is roundly ignored. :D
And the judgment accepted that Asher's had valid concerns about their perceived endorsement of the message. However they felt that did not require further consideration as being forced to make the statement whether or not it was seen as an endorsement was sufficient to violate their freedom of conscience.
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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Post by big mervyn » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:00 pm

Jackie Brown wrote:Always was cynical about this. Don't buy anything with Asher's on it out of principle because they're evangelical feck. Always thought this was a nonsense case though.

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I'd never heard of them before this. Needless to say, they'll never get a penny of my (not very) hard earned. I am relieved, and somewhat surprised, they're not fundamental cake supplier to UR.
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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Post by Dave » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:18 pm

Believing in made up beliefs is a choice. It's the same logic as #ibelieveher. You have no evidence but believe it anyway. That's faith. It is an utterly pointless concept.
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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Post by BR » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:22 pm

Dave wrote:Believing in made up beliefs is a choice. It's the same logic as #ibelieveher. You have no evidence but believe it anyway. That's faith. It is an utterly pointless concept.
It makes them happy, Dave. And it keeps them out of the pub.
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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Post by Cap'n Grumpy » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:23 pm

Guys, guys, guys.

Can ye not come to some sort of consensus here on this, otherwise Snipe will think he's right?

And then before you know it, he'll start to think he's right all the time! :shock:
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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Post by Russ » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:25 pm

Cap'n Grumpy wrote:Guys, guys, guys.

Can ye not come to some sort of consensus here on this, otherwise Snipe will think he's right?

And then before you know it, he'll start to think he's right all the time! :shock:
I agree with the supreme court who made an extraordinary decision to sit in NI to hear this farce

What a fecking waste of money

Now the SC needs to approve gay marriage for NI

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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Post by BR » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:33 pm

Russ wrote:
Cap'n Grumpy wrote:Guys, guys, guys.

Can ye not come to some sort of consensus here on this, otherwise Snipe will think he's right?

And then before you know it, he'll start to think he's right all the time! :shock:
I agree with the supreme court who made an extraordinary decision to sit in NI to hear this farce

What a fecking waste of money

Now the SC needs to approve gay marriage for NI

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How is it a waste of money?

You can't have case law without cases.
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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Post by Dave » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:33 pm

BR wrote:
Dave wrote:Believing in made up beliefs is a choice. It's the same logic as #ibelieveher. You have no evidence but believe it anyway. That's faith. It is an utterly pointless concept.
It makes them happy, Dave. And it keeps them it of the pub.
Are they all happy though? I know plenty who feel more obligated to follow their religion through fear. Predicated by lies told to them, from an early age, that manipulate powerful emotions such as guilt.
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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Post by BR » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:36 pm

Dave wrote:
BR wrote:
Dave wrote:Believing in made up beliefs is a choice. It's the same logic as #ibelieveher. You have no evidence but believe it anyway. That's faith. It is an utterly pointless concept.
It makes them happy, Dave. And it keeps them it of the pub.
Are they all happy though? I know plenty who feel more obligated to follow their religion through fear. Predicated by lies told to them, from an early age, that manipulate powerful emotions such as guilt.
Aye, but sure they're the ones who'd be miserable if they had to actually think for themselves.
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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Post by Rooster » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:46 pm

A good clear explation on the ruling and what it really means
http://www.petertatchellfoundation.org/ ... xpression/
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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Post by BR » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:49 pm

Rooster wrote:A good clear explation on the ruling and what it really means
http://www.petertatchellfoundation.org/ ... xpression/
You mean the one here isn't good enough?
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Re: The Big Gay Cake

Post by breakdown » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:52 pm

Common sense prevails, 'nuff said
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