2015 - The General Election - Discussion Forum

[nonplussed]

If you fancy a Tory govt you need your head read.


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[Rooster]

I notice Dave is resorting to personal insults rather than actually outlining his policies.

Also love how IDS thinks it's not relevant to detail where the welfare cuts will fall till after the election. The Nasty Party indeed.

Yep but at least you know where you are with the Tories, I don't think anyone knows what they're going to get with the current Labour offering tbh.

WW you must be fabulously remunerated in your daily grind if you are looking forward to 2-3 years of cuts much deeper than we have so far seen.

I have to say that I am hoping to see a hung parliament with a labour led coalition, probably requiring both Lib Dem & SNP backing. Indeed, though probably too much to hope for, I'd like any sort of minority government who rely on the backing of others on a vote by vote basis. Not a recipe for strong government, but I don't see any potential government that I could support with any degree of optimism, so next best thing would be a weak Labour or Tory government that would not be able to work on doctrine, as the Tories, with power crazed oaf Clegg in tow, have, rather one beholding to consensus.

As an old fart with a raft of ailments my priority is the NHS, perhap the only thing worth living in the UK for, if you discount Ulster Rugby. The Tories have had 5 years of wrecking it so far, I fear what they will do to it with another 5, especially if elected outright and therefore unfettered.

Both well short of a majority..............................WHAT figure is a majority?

326

More accurate predictions are Tories 310

Your wishes are not the same as "accurate predictions" toryboy. I see London is set to light up red, apparently largely due to reaction against the buffoon you idolize, Boris the Bastid.

London has always been red

Have ISIS any candidates in London, they would probably quite well in some areas

[Russ]

I notice Dave is resorting to personal insults rather than actually outlining his policies.

Also love how IDS thinks it's not relevant to detail where the welfare cuts will fall till after the election. The Nasty Party indeed.

Yep but at least you know where you are with the Tories, I don't think anyone knows what they're going to get with the current Labour offering tbh.

WW you must be fabulously remunerated in your daily grind if you are looking forward to 2-3 years of cuts much deeper than we have so far seen.

I have to say that I am hoping to see a hung parliament with a labour led coalition, probably requiring both Lib Dem & SNP backing. Indeed, though probably too much to hope for, I'd like any sort of minority government who rely on the backing of others on a vote by vote basis. Not a recipe for strong government, but I don't see any potential government that I could support with any degree of optimism, so next best thing would be a weak Labour or Tory government that would not be able to work on doctrine, as the Tories, with power crazed oaf Clegg in tow, have, rather one beholding to consensus.

As an old fart with a raft of ailments my priority is the NHS, perhap the only thing worth living in the UK for, if you discount Ulster Rugby. The Tories have had 5 years of wrecking it so far, I fear what they will do to it with another 5, especially if elected outright and therefore unfettered.

Both well short of a majority..............................WHAT figure is a majority?

326

More accurate predictions are Tories 310

Your wishes are not the same as "accurate predictions" toryboy. I see London is set to light up red, apparently largely due to reaction against the buffoon you idolize, Boris the Bastid.

London has always been red

Have ISIS any candidates in London, they would probably quite well in some areas

Luftar Rahman has potential

[rumncoke]

If you want to keep your friends three subjects to avoid politics religion and sex and never lend a friend a sum of money greater than the amount you give him thus if he fails to repay you you haven't lost a friend





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[Snipe Watson]

On the basis of today's campaigning, Twas a bad day for the currently, fiscally illiterate Labour party. They really do need to get a coherent economic message together. There is an open goal at one end and they are blasting away at the wrong end of the pitch.

[Snipe Watson]

On the basis of today's campaigning, Twas a bad day for the currently, fiscally illiterate Labour party. They really do need to get a coherent economic message together. There is an open goal at one end and they are blasting away at the wrong end of the pitch.

That's the issue. Credible alternative. They aren't. Balls "flatlining" hand gesture every PMQs replaced by ...... God knows.

Here's my election prediction.
Both Eds are out of their depth and this will become increasingly clear as the campaign goes on.
UKIP will not hold their vote in a general election, they will increasingly be seen as a one man band playing the wrong tune.
Lib Dems will get a dead cat bounce and will not be savaged as badly as current projections suggest.

Result Tory Lib Dem coalition re-elected with about 335 seats.

[Snipe Watson]

I see the Whigs are making a comeback.

[Setanta]

Is that chap 'Essex' actually allowed to vote? I think there should be an IQ test; never mind religion, age, sex, tendency etc., - IQ of ast least 100; oops, that rules Bush and approx. 30 MPs out!

[big mervyn]

I see the Whigs are making a comeback.

Is that a Galway hairpiece?

[Rooster]

Is that chap 'Essex' actually allowed to vote? I think there should be an IQ test; never mind religion, age, sex, tendency etc., - IQ of ast least 100; oops, that rules Bush and approx. 30 MPs out!

If common sense and an IQ over 60 was the base level you would be lucky to find 30 politicians who would meet the criteria and if you added in decency and integrity then fingers on one hand would be sufficient

[big mervyn]

Is that chap 'Essex' actually allowed to vote? I think there should be an IQ test; never mind religion, age, sex, tendency etc., - IQ of ast least 100; oops, that rules Bush and approx. 30 MPs out!

If common sense and an IQ over 60 was the base level you would be lucky to find 30 politicians who would meet the criteria and if you added in decency and integrity then fingers on one hand would be sufficient

The ignorance of the electorate is the flaw in reasoned arguments about the economy and other pressing issues. Bacon sarnies and kitchens are more likely to influence many voters.

[BaggyTrousers]

On the basis of today's campaigning, Twas a bad day for the currently, fiscally illiterate Labour party. They really do need to get a coherent economic message together. There is an open goal at one end and they are blasting away at the wrong end of the pitch.

That's the issue. Credible alternative. They aren't. Balls "flatlining" hand gesture every PMQs replaced by ...... God knows.

You two jokers should be hired by George Osborne to say what a wonderful job he is doing and how fiscally competent he is. Somebody needs to because he has missed all the important targets, yet as you do actually get right, Labour are unable to get across the message that the bullshit about him being a competent chancellor is just that, so much so that WW prefers the devil she knows.

How's this, we are told that the deficit reduction target has been missed recently by £10 Bn, however that means it is £105Bn rather than £95Bn so not too bad eh? Really? Gideon Osborne declared in NOV 2010 that there would be no deficit by 2015. BOOM

GDP in NOV 2010 Gideon calmly promised that the UK's GDP would be £1916Bn by the end of the parliament, most recent figures indicated it is actually £1788Bn, so £128 billion less than Gideon's promise yet in the same period he has increased Govt.Debt by £207 Bn. BOOM fiscal competence my ould shitebox.

Gideon promised in 2010 that the economy would return to pre-crisis levels in mid 2012, how does very late 2014 sound? Sounds like a missed target to me.

What about his promise to reduce Govt Debt to a 67% of GDP by the end of the parliament? Most recently recorded as 79%, sound like a target missed? Bet your sweet bippy it does. BOOM, fiscal retard.

What about the good bits? I see London's doing well. Yeah so what, London always does well, everything is stacked in its favour.

Jobs, surely they are up, that's good news? Yeah, record numbers in employment, record numbers of weemen worked. Got to be good eh? Well admittedly after a fashion, if you like a zero hours contract, if you like a nice low paid job, great. It is a fact that 6 out of every 10 people in employment are also in receipt of benefits.

Why legislate to permit zero hours contracts? One reason only, to make life easier for employers to pay less, simple. Now depending on where you stand that is a good thing or a bad thing. For me, a contract which can demand you are exclusively available to an employer who may not offer any work in a period of weeks, which does not offer paid holiday entitlement, which does not pay sick pay, is just an erosion of employment law and the rights it offered. Oh but it really suits some people according to Call me Dave. Really Dave? And what can it do for those people that couldn't be covered by job shares, temporary contracts and a raft of other options, casual labour it used to be called. The only thing it can do that other contracts couldn't is allow employers to exploit cheap labour. It's an iniquity.

Part of the record numbers of people in employment gels with record numbers of immigrants accepting low paid jobs, often under the minimum wage, not a future I want and neither should you for your kids, record levels of youth unemployment, you don't often hear that boast from Tory Central, but it's as true in the UK as it is in Greece, Portugal, Spain or Ireland and a dose of other countries.

So gentlemen, take your half-assed theories of fiscal competence and stick them where the sun fails to penetrate. You can fool some of the people some of the time ................ stick your Tory twaddle boys, we're not all mugs. The crying shame is that there is no longer a well placed socialist worth a damn ............... outside of Scotland anyway, and none of them are in the Labour Party.

The Ed Miller Band and his ilk should be making hay with Gideon's record, but still they allow CaMoron & Gideon to peddle nonsense about Labour screwing up the economy singlehandedly, nothing whatsoever to do with a global economic crisis, whilst meekly allowing Gideon to trumpet his triumph which exists only in his own mind, he has missed target after target, he even misses his revised targets consistently.

What can the Miller Band get across? And yes they have a hard job getting anything worthwhile in the press, I even saw on the BBC this morning an interview with Miller Band on a train, suddenly you could barely hear a damn thing, the interview was several decibels lower than the programme had been up to that point. But what have they got across so far? ........nada, feck all, rien, ziltch.

They aren't so much economically incompetent as politically incompetent. Maybe things will change during the campaign, but this soldier isn't holding his breath.

I have no place to turn politically, I will of course cast my vote for Lady Hermon as usual, just to hopefully keep the obnoxious DUP out of North Down, they are common as muck, but without the honesty of genuine dirt.

Good morning.

[Dave]

On most polls lib dep have about 8% of the vote. Ukip have around 14%. While that doesn't translate to seats, lib dems popularity has massively sunk and they will lose a sh1tload of seats. Getting into bed with the tories was massively unpopular amongst their voters.

[big mervyn]

On most polls lib dep have about 8% of the vote. Ukip have around 14%. While that doesn't translate to seats, lib dems popularity has massively sunk and they will lose a sh1tload of seats. Getting into bed with the tories was massively unpopular amongst their voters.

I'd love to see Clegg lose his seat in Sheffield. He's still odds on to retain it unfortunately.

In days gone buy the students would have voted in numbers to get rid but they're a bunch of apathetic barstewards these days.

[Snipe Watson]

On most polls lib dep have about 8% of the vote. Ukip have around 14%. While that doesn't translate to seats, lib dems popularity has massively sunk and they will lose a sh1tload of seats. Getting into bed with the tories was massively unpopular amongst their voters.

It's early days Dave. I have always thought the proportion of voters who actually decide general elections will go on a bit of a roller-coaster as the parties court them. Tories won round one, but that's it.
My guess is that the question marks over the Eds and the economy will be the deciding factor as people follow their gut in the booth. I don't think they have the smarts or experience to turn this around. Last time, the boot was on the other foot. The Tories should have wiped the floor with Labour, but Cameron didn't have the nous to exploit the situation and ended up with a hollow victory . This time they will be wiser and that will be a telling factor too. Labour have failed to produce a solid economic plan and they needed to. They needed to make a statement saying that they have learned from the mess they left last time and here is how we are going to do it, but instead they have left the door open for the Tories to play the economic card to the full and drag up the past. I could be totally wrong, but that's how I see it playing out at this stage.