Biblical matters

[promenader 2]

Eh?

All I said is that no protestant denomination (speaking generally about Baptist/Pres, CoI) has a church-wide history of child abuse, unlike the RC church. It has nothing to do with theology and doctrine, my point was that the theology of a protestant (in the reformed sense, not bang the drum/march the 12th) and RC differs, therefore to associate them all together under a Christian umbrella is incorrect

Are you saying Catholics are not Christians?

As a generalisation, it depends on what you mean by Catholic and Christian

Yes, I suppose it's a bit like when a rock band splits and there's a row over who has the rights to the name. Thus, Jeff Lynne has to call his band 'Jeff Lynne's ELO' rather than simply 'ELO' because of legal sensitivities around the brand. The only difference, probably, is that rock bands have more relevance in modern society. Most sensible people couldn't care less about the contrived doctrinal differences between one set of bible-bashers and another.
BTW, I'm curious why you mention Henry VIII in the context of a religious schism. I was taught that he separated from the Church of Rome because he wanted to divorce his missus?

[big mervyn]

In rock band terms splits from the "one true Church" are akin to Ringo leaving the Beatles and claiming rights to the name

[Dave]

Which of those do RCs not believe?

I'm not sure what you mean by affiliated? Are saying there are no case of sexual abuse in protestant churches?

In regard to your last question, of course there are cases of sexual abuse within Protestant churches. But sadly when you think of child abuse in the church your mind will go to the Roman Catholic church. There was even a movie made about it. And i’m not trying to be divisive but it is factual

In regards to the theological differences between Roman Catholics and Protestants you should read about the reformation. As a historical event it is quite interesting

In brief (and probably not 100% accurate),

Christ crucified and the early church established - Acts 11 says the first disciples/Christians were then named christians (actually as a derogetory term). First Catholic (as in worldwide) church established in Antioch

Rome gets involved (hence RC) over 1400 years or so

October 1517 Martin Luther, a priest/monk brought up in the RC church challenged the teachings of the roman papacy, comes up with 95 points about why the Roman Catholic church is wrong and nails it to his monestries door. This is the Protestant reformation - protesting the doctrine of the Catholic church. It spread throughout Europe - Henry VIII split the CoI from Rome and so on and is still celebrated quite widely today among Protestant churches

If the doctrine between RC and Protestants were the same there would have been no reformation

The main difference are the “5 solas”, which came from the reformation. Protestant went back to biblical roots

Sola Scriptura - Scripture alone
Solus Christus - Christ alone
Sola Gratia - Grace alone
Sola Fide - Faith alone
Soli Deo Gloria - to the glory of God alone

Those are probably a good summary of theological/doctrinal differences. I’m sure if you went searching you can find something which articulates a response much better

Hope that clears it up

That doesn't answer my question. Which of those main tenants of Christianity that I originally posted do not apply to Roman Catholicism?

[Shan]

All Christians follow Christ. The details of how they do it don't change that. Anybody who does not follow Christ is not a Christian. Simples.

As for the basic tenets Dave has outlined - They certainly apply to RC's.

[big mervyn]

All Christians follow Christ. The details of how they do it don't change that. Anybody who does not follow Christ is not a Christian. Simples.

As for the basic tenets Dave has outlined - They certainly apply to RC's.

Can you use the band name if you follow his teachings but reject his divinity?

[Cap'n Grumpy]

Can you use the band name if you follow his teachings but reject his divinity?

Jesus or Ringo?

Peace and luv, peace and luv!

[UlsterAreBrill]

Which of those do RCs not believe?

I'm not sure what you mean by affiliated? Are saying there are no case of sexual abuse in protestant churches?

In regard to your last question, of course there are cases of sexual abuse within Protestant churches. But sadly when you think of child abuse in the church your mind will go to the Roman Catholic church. There was even a movie made about it. And i’m not trying to be divisive but it is factual

In regards to the theological differences between Roman Catholics and Protestants you should read about the reformation. As a historical event it is quite interesting

In brief (and probably not 100% accurate),

Christ crucified and the early church established - Acts 11 says the first disciples/Christians were then named christians (actually as a derogetory term). First Catholic (as in worldwide) church established in Antioch

Rome gets involved (hence RC) over 1400 years or so

October 1517 Martin Luther, a priest/monk brought up in the RC church challenged the teachings of the roman papacy, comes up with 95 points about why the Roman Catholic church is wrong and nails it to his monestries door. This is the Protestant reformation - protesting the doctrine of the Catholic church. It spread throughout Europe - Henry VIII split the CoI from Rome and so on and is still celebrated quite widely today among Protestant churches

If the doctrine between RC and Protestants were the same there would have been no reformation

The main difference are the “5 solas”, which came from the reformation. Protestant went back to biblical roots

Sola Scriptura - Scripture alone
Solus Christus - Christ alone
Sola Gratia - Grace alone
Sola Fide - Faith alone
Soli Deo Gloria - to the glory of God alone

Those are probably a good summary of theological/doctrinal differences. I’m sure if you went searching you can find something which articulates a response much better

Hope that clears it up

That doesn't answer my question. Which of those main tenants of Christianity that I originally posted do not apply to Roman Catholicism?

Yes it does, I would have thought someone of your great, rationale, logical mind could have figured that out

I repeat

The main difference are the “5 solas”, which came from the reformation. Protestant went back to biblical roots

Sola Scriptura - Scripture alone
Solus Christus - Christ alone
Sola Gratia - Grace alone
Sola Fide - Faith alone
Soli Deo Gloria - to the glory of God alone

For a start they dont believe they go to hell but rather go to purgatory and can effective pay souls in purgatory to get to heaven. So their salvation is not solus Christus or Sola Gratia

Their bible is different so not sola Scriptura

Solus Christus also opposes the office of pope

[promenader 2]

You haven't answered my question about Henry VIII. You stated 'Henry VIII split the CoI from Rome and so on and is still celebrated quite widely today among Protestant churches'. Why is he still celebrated among Protestant churches? To my knowledge, he didn't have any theological differences with the church of Rome, but simply wanted a route to get rid of a wife who wasn't providing him with male heirs.

[big mervyn]

Youse are spitting hairs lads. There's much bigger theological debates out there. Such as, who's more Pradestant, Mooslims or Hindoos and whose flegs should leylists be buying, India's or Pakistan's?

[promenader 2]

Youse are spitting hairs lads. There's much bigger theological debates out there. Such as, who's more Pradestant, Mooslims or Hindoos and whose flegs should leylists be buying, India's or Pakistan's?

Have you seen the colour of thon Indian fleg? Can't see that fluttering from the lamp posts on Sandy Row

[big mervyn]

Youse are spitting hairs lads. There's much bigger theological debates out there. Such as, who's more Pradestant, Mooslims or Hindoos and whose flegs should leylists be buying, India's or Pakistan's?

Have you seen the colour of thon Indian fleg? Can't see that fluttering from the lamp posts on Sandy Row

The Pakistan wan isn't great either

[Dave]

Which of those do RCs not believe?

I'm not sure what you mean by affiliated? Are saying there are no case of sexual abuse in protestant churches?

In regard to your last question, of course there are cases of sexual abuse within Protestant churches. But sadly when you think of child abuse in the church your mind will go to the Roman Catholic church. There was even a movie made about it. And i’m not trying to be divisive but it is factual

In regards to the theological differences between Roman Catholics and Protestants you should read about the reformation. As a historical event it is quite interesting

In brief (and probably not 100% accurate),

Christ crucified and the early church established - Acts 11 says the first disciples/Christians were then named christians (actually as a derogetory term). First Catholic (as in worldwide) church established in Antioch

Rome gets involved (hence RC) over 1400 years or so

October 1517 Martin Luther, a priest/monk brought up in the RC church challenged the teachings of the roman papacy, comes up with 95 points about why the Roman Catholic church is wrong and nails it to his monestries door. This is the Protestant reformation - protesting the doctrine of the Catholic church. It spread throughout Europe - Henry VIII split the CoI from Rome and so on and is still celebrated quite widely today among Protestant churches

If the doctrine between RC and Protestants were the same there would have been no reformation

The main difference are the “5 solas”, which came from the reformation. Protestant went back to biblical roots

Sola Scriptura - Scripture alone
Solus Christus - Christ alone
Sola Gratia - Grace alone
Sola Fide - Faith alone
Soli Deo Gloria - to the glory of God alone

Those are probably a good summary of theological/doctrinal differences. I’m sure if you went searching you can find something which articulates a response much better

Hope that clears it up

That doesn't answer my question. Which of those main tenants of Christianity that I originally posted do not apply to Roman Catholicism?

Yes it does, I would have thought someone of your great, rationale, logical mind could have figured that out

I repeat

The main difference are the “5 solas”, which came from the reformation. Protestant went back to biblical roots

Sola Scriptura - Scripture alone
Solus Christus - Christ alone
Sola Gratia - Grace alone
Sola Fide - Faith alone
Soli Deo Gloria - to the glory of God alone

For a start they dont believe they go to hell but rather go to purgatory and can effective pay souls in purgatory to get to heaven. So their salvation is not solus Christus or Sola Gratia

Their bible is different so not sola Scriptura

Solus Christus also opposes the office of pope

I understand there are differences.

You had asked what my definition of a Christian was and I explained.

It's perfectly appropriate to use the term Christian as an umbrella term.

This tree below demonstrates:

(I hope it's large enough to read)

[Shan]

Can you use the band name if you follow his teachings but reject his divinity?

My opinion is that one could definitely follow some of the teachings of the individual known as Jesus and refer to oneself as a Christian validly without requiring that figure to be divine. Indeed one could follow them without having any requirement for a belief in a supreme being of any type.

The word "some" is not a problem here though as there is nobody who follows all his teachings in thought or deed. Anyone who claims otherwise is setting themselves up as being superior to Jesus himself and thereby arguably anti-Christian, bound as all humans are by imperfection.

[Shan]

Auld Jesus must be a bit bemused when he thinks of all those different groups within Christianity and especially at those who think their membership of one of those groups somehow makes them a better Christian than some other poor fecker in one of the other groups who thinks similarly. As said earlier - Human imperfection.

[Dave]

Auld Jesus must be a bit bemused when he thinks of all those different groups within Christianity and especially at those who think their membership of one of those groups somehow makes them a better Christian than some other poor fecker in one of the other groups who thinks similarly. As said earlier - Human imperfection.

I wonder which is his favourite though, he's bound to have a sneaky fave. Free Ps maybe?