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Gary wrote:I would like to know what really happened to David Kelly.
Now there we have a question.
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Gary wrote:Just wonder who suggested that it would be handy if Mr Kelly decided to commit suicide.

Actually, I've a fair idea who it was.
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Gary wrote:I would like to know what really happened to David Kelly.
Murdered... not liz directly anyhow.
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Kadhim al-Jabbouri, a man who became a symbol of the Iraqi peoples' rejection and hatred of Saddam Hussein.

On 9 April 2003, the American spearhead reached central Baghdad. Hours before they arrived, Kadhim, who was a champion weightlifter, decided to bring down the big bronze statue of Saddam Hussein that stood on a plinth in Firdous Square.
I asked Kadhim he would do if he could meet Tony Blair.

"I would say to him you are a criminal, and I'd spit in his face."

And what would he say to George Bush?

"I'd say you're criminal too. You killed the children of Iraq. You killed the women and you killed the innocent. I would say the same to Blair. And to the coalition that invaded Iraq. I will say to them you are criminals and you should be brought to justice."
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I heard an Iraqi chap being interviewed on LBC today, didn't catch exactly who he was but I think a professor of economics. He was involved early on as an adviser to the invaders/liberators.

He made some points of note. 1) He felt sorry for the families who lost their kids/husbands/fathers & female equivalents but pointed out that more Iraqis died last week in a single car bomb than all the British losses. 2) He believed that Blair believed in WMD but that USA would have gone in anyway, for them it was oil & regime change. 3) Like Brexiters, neither the USA or UK had any plans for when the fighting was over - 4 days - & what followed was inept, saying the man who was effectively the ruler, had no knowledge whatsoever of Iraq so how could he be expected to do anything but screw up? 4) The country is in ruins and the USA & UK have run away having further impoverished the country.

I see David Kelly mentioned earlier. Two punters who were in Iraq and had known Kelly, one right up until he killed himself, both said that the apparent writing him up as anti-war was grossly misleading & that to a large extent he was not as far from the government line as some would have you believe. Again, sorry no names.
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Captain Doug Beattie MC MLA views on Chilcot and the war.
A retired Army captain has said the Government must now apologise to the families of soldiers killed in Iraq after the publication of today’s damning Chilcot Report.

Sir John Chilcot’s findings – published after seven years – found that the UK waged war on Iraq without first exhausting all peaceful means for disarming Saddam Hussein.

Former Prime Minister Tony Blair has been lambasted for taking action a full eight months before any legal backing of Parliamentary authority was given for invading Iraq.
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The Chilcot report said the war – which started in 2003 and cost billions of pounds and many, many lives – was neither justified nor necessary.

Today Mr Blair described his move to take action as “the hardest, most momentous, most agonising decision I took in my 10 years as British Prime Minister”.

Doug Beattie MC MLA – who was awarded the ‘Queens Commendation for Bravery’ for his actions during the invasion – said the troops had not been equipped or prepared for the task and had been “misled by our political leaders”.

The retired Army captain – who is now an Ulster Unionist Assemblyman for Upper Bann – said they genuinely believed Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and were doing the right thing, but now knew this was not the case.

Captain Beattie served with the 1st Battalion, The Royal Irish Regiment, alongside Colonel Tim Collins.

Here, in his own words, he recalls his time in Iraq and gives his reaction to the Chilcot Report.

“War polarises opinion, but few military campaigns have left such a bitter taste and generated so much emotion as the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

“While few doubt the courage and noble motivation of those servicemen and women sent to fight the battles, many will regard the political decision to send them as little more than an exercise in deception.

“Standing in Fort Blair Mayne deep in the Kuwati desert, an encampment built from nothing by the men of the Royal Irish Regiment, I remember the daily routine of training for war, mission rehearsals and daily intelligence briefings.

At no stage was there any doubt that Saddam Hussein’s Ba’athist regime had the ability to deploy weapons of mass destruction. In fact, as I stood beside Colonel Tim Collins, our Commanding Officer, I remember his clear unambiguous words to the battalion he was about to take to war. The first time since the Korea.

‘It is not a question of if, it’s a question of when’. We know he has already devolved the decision to lower commanders, and that means he has already taken the decision himself. If we survive the first strike we will survive the attack’.

Colonel Tim was a smart man, a sharp operator and a skilled leader. He would not have been fooled easily, yet like the rest of us he was.

On a daily basis, before the invasion, the men practiced their Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear (CBRN) defense drills. So it was until the day we crossed the border into Iraq. Poorly equipped, unprepared and misled by our political leaders the invasion of Iraq began.

As men and equipment spilled across the border into Iraq politicians continued the masquerade of a just and legal conflict.

It is easy to blame Tony Blair, and as our Prime Minister fault must lie at his door. But it spreads much further. The dossier that gave us the evidence of weapons of mass destruction had been formulated by the United Kingdom’s intelligence services: MI6 and MI5. The Foreign Office would have had an input. The Home Office will not have been ignorant. And the entire Labour Cabinet will have had some hand in promoting the dossier’s deadly message.

Parliament itself cannot dodge censure. Many MPs allowed themselves to be misled and voted for war. So did our top military leaders. Their collective eagerness to please led to a hurried deployment, beleaguered by a lack of planning and poor force generation.

The latter point was starkly illustrated by the inclusion of 16 Air Assault Brigade (16AA) – of which the Royal Irish Regiment was part – in the order of battle. As the name suggests this premier unit should be delivered to the battlefield by air manoeuvre – instead it rattled across the border into Iraq in lumbering trucks designed to carry cargo not fighting men.

Soldiers without body armour, with no desert clothing or boots, no ammunition for vital weapons systems and poor communications equipment we crossed into Iraq. As the Regimental Sergeant Major my initial role was to take control of the enemy prisoners of war. What I found was wretched individuals that appeared nothing like an enemy that needed defeating.

There was no pride or glory in killing these fighters, many surrendered without a fight happy to be under the control of the Irish Battlegroup as prisoners of war.

Yet some did fight and died and I watched as my soldiers laid them to rest showing them the respect and dignity we all deserve in death. My soldiers gave away their own food, their own water, and when ordered to stop they scavenged the countryside for food for their prisoners until the resupply chain caught up with the fighting elements.

Much of this compassion and gentleness is largely forgotten as the war evolved into a protracted and bloody insurgency and the actions of a few, in places like Camp Breadbasket and Abu Ghraib, belittled the many. Yet, arguably, these incidents of abhorrent behaviour were in part a reflection of the failure of UK/US-led coalition to prepare for an outcome that was always likely.

I remain proud of what my men did in Iraq and it is important that the servicemen and women who were asked to fight this conflict are shown the respect and understanding they deserve. This is doubly important for family members who lost loved ones either during the conflict or after, due to related mental health problems.

It is OK to hate the war but love the soldier who did nothing more than what was asked of him.

Colonel Tim finished his eve of battle speech with these words: ‘As for ourselves, let’s bring everyone home and leave Iraq a better place for us having been there’.

Sadly we did not – and the legacy of the Iraq war will not be forgotten on the publication of the Chilcot report. It will continue to affect our foreign policy for many years to come and will remain imbedded in the memories of those who fought the war and were lucky to survive.”
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I remember saying at the time that people as a general rule don't like their countries being invaded no matter how honourable the intentions are.
Bit like intervening when 2 brothers are fighting.

Churchill said about looking to the past to see what the future holds.
Blair must have skipped that class at prime minister school.
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bazzaj wrote:I remember saying at the time that people as a general rule don't like their countries being invaded no matter how honourable the intentions are.
Bit like intervening when 2 brothers are fighting.

Churchill said about looking to the past to see what the future holds.
Blair must have skipped that class at prime minister school.
Blair was an egotistical cnut who would do anything he thought would get him further on in the world, he does not appear to have changed, really horrible specimen of humanity.
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He really is Rooster.
The thing is he really was evil bearing a smug superficial smile and shiny suit.
Honest politics were a big second to personal agenda and facade.
Thing is he brought hope to a nation who were tired of Conservative politics but all he and his cronies brought was more of the same repackaged and spun through deplorable political correctness.

Greatest travesty in our recent political history was the death of John Smith.
Labour died with him.
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I wonder how many lies he told getting the Peace Deal together.... who cares we got peace didn't we.
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Assuming your tongue isn't firmly planted in your cheek cockers was that not more about Mo Molam?
Obviously Blair took the credit.

I don't believe we have achieved peace in the Middle East just yet, lies or otherwise.
Its all a bit of a kerfuffle.
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Of course I forgot Hans Blix tried that.
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bazzaj wrote: I don't believe we have achieved peace in the Middle East just yet, lies or otherwise.
Thanks to Blair and Bush we are far further away from it than we have been in recent times Libya and Iraq are now 2 basket case countries due to them and Syria is also as a result of them backing the wrong side because the US didn't like the existing government, then go back further and Iran was fecked over basically because the Shah wanted to put up the price of oil years ago to build a decent country for his citizens.
Western interference in an Middle East government spells disaster, they have a different culture and different values and they won't be changed just because you get rid of what is seen as a tyrant who rules the place, it is ruled that way because it has to be ruled that way whether we like it or not.
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Ever westerner thinking they are on the side of 'good' should be forced to watch Alan Curtis's "Bitter Lake" on BBC Iplayer.
One of the greatest documentaries I have ever seen.
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Note Rooster the Shah put up his oil prices 5 times the amount in reaction to the Western interference with the Arab Israeli wars on the side of the Israelites.

Because their strict religion was minimalist they made more money than they knew what to do with and ironically took advantage of the deregulation of the western banks and invested their vast wealth in them

In a nutshell it was Arab money that helped build the twin towers and Arabs that knocked them down.

The whole of the history of western influence in the middle east is filled with such hypocrisy and double standards.
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