CIMANFOREVER wrote:
The usual bland buffoonish rubbish that the Tricolour is an emblem of the peaceful coming together of the green and "orange"... nice line in stereotyping that all from the "other" community, presumably Unionist (maybe black Proddie) have an orange affiliation as symbolised in the non divisive tricolour, despite the fact that a "Unionist" may be:
Isn't it odd that the only place in the world the tricolour & anthem is regarded as devisive is in one small corner of the island of Ireland.
Would that be the country in which it's not the constutionally and internationally recognised flag TMHG? How would the flag of NI be greeted if flown in Dublin?
Interesting you don't put forth any worthwhile input or rejoinder other than your facile comment. Your either incredibly niave, stupid or just a trolling pr*ck. I plump for the latter
As far as I know, the Tri Colour is internationally recognised as the flag of Ireland and can be seen flown all over the world, for instance, alongside the other 27 member states of the EU. You meant the flying of it in NI
As far as I know the Flag of Northern Ireland is the Union flag and that can be seen flying in Dublin on occasion (for instance EU meetings). I've seen plenty of the NI flag used by NI football team in Dublin and occasionally at rugby matches - mind you there were 100s of them at HCup final in '99 - people were just a bit bemused by the quantity I think more than anything else.
I wouldn't engage with the rest of your post as I don't think anything I'd say would convince you to change your mind.
You wouldn't and I'm not sure what point you're really trying to make regarding the inclusiveness of the GAA, and whether it's a dark mirror of the OO (and vice versa) ? Yep, there were "NI banners", because they're the flags of NI until 73, still recognised here by most and in many official sports bodies, hence why flown at NI matches and the NI team at the Com. games for example. You know what the Union flag represents I'm sure. Not difficult really. You are of course correct, the Tricolour does in fact represent the flag of the Free State, or ROI, or Ireland, the other country internationally recognised on the island of Ireland. ( being somewhat similar to the island of great britain, which contains 3 countries instead of 2, but equally as feasible.) And the all inclusive GAA it seems.
Symbolism's a complicated thing isn't it? One person's folk, religious and/or sporting & cultural family is another's bigots charter. Take yer choice.
Russ wrote:I'm still confused. Does the GAA make every club play this song before every game and fly that flag?
No they don't make anyone do anything. People want to do it. Even the team jumping up and down before the anthem is finished (regarded by some as disrespectful) is now all part of the GAA tradition.
There are all sorts of traditions - for example - in a double header the anthem is played between the two games. Talk to any of the players and they love the parade around the pitch before the game.
Some teams have an anthem they play - Ulster plays Stand Up for the Ulstermen, Munster have Stand Up and Fight etc. The GAA has AnaB.
TMHG. Last few posts, all very factual and correct, but our society is not normal and the tricolour has been shoved in the face of Unionists as the symbol of militant nationalism for decades. It is therefore politicised in the worst possible way and is an anathema to many people who live on this island. That is a fact whether you like it or not.
I don't know if you intend it, but your line of reasoning on this issue comes across as more than a little passive aggressive.
I'm on the record on this board over a lot of years opposing all flags and emblems. I'm also on the record as proposing a New Ireland, free of all the sectarian symbols and trappings. An Ireland where everyone can buy in and nobody is excluded. All this guff about the tricolour being the coming together of the two traditions with the white of peace is between is quite frankly bull. Maybe some deluded fool meant it to be that way, but that isn't the way it played out in the real world.
I don't often side with Russ, but he's right about the GAA. It is a sectarian organisation and just because they changed their rule book a while back in an effort to come across as inclusive, it was a mealy mouthed, half assed effort and not even close to being close to breaking down the barriers they their organisation has promoted and bolstered for decades. You believe what you will and fair play to you, but the Tricolour and the stance taken by the GAA are impediments to actual Irish unity, because that will only come to pass when the hearts and minds of all people are won over and they see a flag, anthem and state that they can call their own.
Having been brought up in an area where close by the impoverished painted every kerbstone they could find red white & blue, and now living in Dee Stitt's North Down where apparently he protects me by flying a multiplicity of flegs, Union Jacks, Ulster/NI Flegs, this year some rather pretty Somme Commemoration Flegs (much as I resent the local hoods hijacking the Somme Centenary as theirs in some way) and in years past a variety of paramilitary flegs, I find it strange that you can possibly think you have had the Irish fleg rubbed in you face without some much as a hint of irony.
The rest of your post I absolutely share the sentiments barring our friend as in any way aggressive, passive or otherwise, indeed my learned friend CIMAN as far as I can see is the main source of any aggressive intercourse. Then again he was a prop, it's his job to be.
Flegs & anfums eh? Always guaranteed to make things a tad narky. Needless to say, as an equal opportunity hater, I have no allegiance to either the Onion Jack nor the feckin' tricolour (I dislike the Irish fleg being called that incidentally, it is merely descriptive of the type of fleg it is, not it's name as the better educated will know, the French, Italians, Belgians, Mexicans and many more fly tricolours, the clue is in the name.)
Lectured by Baggy on aggressive posts fs a reasonable challenge to the guff spouted by the GAA and their apologists trolled by someone who knows fine rightly and I'll not let it pass
The GAA seems sacrosanct in the eyes of many and not all are frothing Rebs. But there seems an underlying myopia about what the GAA actually represents and the hypocrisy shown in attacking the OO without applying the same critique to GAA. It's the hypocrisy that should be challenged. Seriously, compare both organisations and there's hardly an ounce of daylight between them, bar fleg colour and religious iconography.
I'll equally denounce the OO for the same issues, but neither should be put on moral high ground above the other.
Anyway, it's not aggression but pashun
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WeeWorld wrote:I wonder if the attractiveness of Spain is partly down to the fact that you can't understand the news?
They hate each other there too you know.
There are so many more important factors Small, but we genuinely have discussed that. However, if you have familiarised yourself with my completed works here, you will know I am not unfamiliar with Spanish politics, I have already decided which socialists I will vote for.
As for hating each other, there are degrees in all things. I attended a meeting in a square in Sevilla in 2015 where a body of very decent folk, but utterly insane, were demonstrating for the liberation of Andalusia and morning a hero for the cause from the thirties. I chatted as best I could with several and liked them immensely but I don't see them achieving their goal anytime soon.
Of course there are issues, racism is fairly common, but happily it's considerably less of a shitehole than this horrible nasty little statelet.
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In terms of racism, I'm sure you've been to Italy Baggy?..
One notable difference in the two organizations is that the GAA has the capacity to reinvent itself as an inclusive sporting organization and I suppose any moves in that direction are to be welcomed.
Difficult to see how the OO could do something similar. They'd have to ditch an awful lot that is fundamental to their raison d'etre to achieve that,
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They have painted themselves into a corner somewhat Mervyn, being an organisation that "defends" the faith and Protestant ascendancy, whatever that is.The GAA has been slightly more subtle in that respect.
Just like many Catholics ignore birth control, many OO members ignore the ban on attending mass for funerals of friends and colleagues and rightly so. Stupid stupid rule.
CIMANFOREVER wrote:
The usual bland buffoonish rubbish that the Tricolour is an emblem of the peaceful coming together of the green and "orange"... nice line in stereotyping that all from the "other" community, presumably Unionist (maybe black Proddie) have an orange affiliation as symbolised in the non divisive tricolour, despite the fact that a "Unionist" may be:
Isn't it odd that the only place in the world the tricolour & anthem is regarded as devisive is in one small corner of the island of Ireland.
Not odd at all. Wave a confederate flag in some parts of the states or a Spanish flag in some small parts of spain and see what happens. Flags and anthems are used the world over to define a particular sect/race/nationality and when they are used in a conflict situation become part of the problem. At the same time anyone who goes out of their way to be annoyed by either is a a bit of a tw*t.
The Confederate flag now represents white supremacists. Not remotely comparable to the flag of a sovereign state like the Tri Colour is. I don't think the Spanish flag is any way comparable either - Barcelona fly the separatist flag (and won their appeal to display it in court recently, but were fined by FIFA)!
You might want to listen to HK Edgerton's opinion on the Stars and Bars
a reasonable challenge to the guff spouted by the GAA and their apologists trolled by someone who knows fine rightly and I'll not let it pass 
