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Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:58 pm
by Shan
Fair point Rooster. Many in her position would have walked after forcing a clueless election which backfired. Ultimately though the decision may not be her own. The Tories have form for ousting female leaders.

Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 9:08 pm
by Dave
Shan wrote:So I see May is now saying that those who don't vote for her deal are placing Brexit itself at risk. I assume she'll have to go if the vote goes against her.
That's a good incentive to vote against her deal.

Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:50 pm
by Shan
Deal or no deal. Should just get the red boxes into Westminster which would be slightly more entertaining that listening to politicians bulling on.

Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:31 pm
by Frank
I might be in the minority here but I'm really enjoying Brexit.
It's so entertaining with all these real characters indulging in shenanigans.
That said I really hope we stay as part of Britain as I don't think the South can afford to keep us.

Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:38 pm
by Dave
Hi Baz

Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:42 pm
by Dave
Defeated 432 to 202.

That is an ass fcuking.

Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:47 pm
by Shan
Indeed it is. It will be interesting to see what the EU reaction will be.

Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:56 pm
by Shan
I suppose it is no surprise that Corbyn has tabled a motion of no confidence in the government. That will be defeated tomorrow and on they will go. If it wasn't for the implications to Ireland I suspect the EU would tell them to f-ck off with no deal.

Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 1:43 pm
by Shan
So I hear that Arlene said there was never a hard border on this island. That's a bit creative.

Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:12 pm
by Setanta
The problem is this has always been May's plan and she gets it! She has not talked to anyone in the past two years and will not now. The no-deal scenario keeps the Tory party united and to hell with everyone else. I cannot see how Parliament can stop a no-deal scenario so out we go on the 29th March and it will be a catastrophe for Ireland, the UK, and Europe BUT in that order of magnitude. Still the Sixties were not that bad! My greatest fear is the sell-out to the USA. Today's US is so different to the generosity of the Marshall plan after the WWII and even to the principles of the first Republic.

Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:19 pm
by big mervyn
Once she had f*cked up the election and lost her majority, the only way that agreement on Brexit was conceivably possible was with some sort of cross party approach.

Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:21 pm
by Dave
Shan wrote:So I hear that Arlene said there was never a hard border on this island. That's a bit creative.
Someone found older footage of her reminiscing about a hard border. She grew up in Fermanagh ffs. Absolute clown.

Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 3:30 pm
by big mervyn
Dave wrote:
Shan wrote:So I hear that Arlene said there was never a hard border on this island. That's a bit creative.
Someone found older footage of her reminiscing about a hard border. She grew up in Fermanagh ffs. Absolute clown.
Probably took great pride in never having set foot in the Free State mind :roll: Arlene is Bitter Orange personified.

Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:55 pm
by Cap'n Grumpy
Shan wrote:So I hear that Arlene said there was never a hard border on this island. That's a bit creative.
Depends on what you mean by hard or soft.

What many regarded as a hard border was nothing to do with customs and everything to do with security.

Prior to that there were customs posts but (and I may be wrong in this) most cars and light vans etc passed freely through without hassle. Larger goods vehicles were prone to checks, but even then not all, or so I have been led to believe.

Possibly you could call it a soft-boiled border, but nothing like the queues of vehicles that have been witnessed at other borders.

Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:06 pm
by Shan
Cap'n Grumpy wrote: Depends on what you mean by hard or soft.

What many regarded as a hard border was nothing to do with customs and everything to do with security.

Prior to that there were customs posts but (and I may be wrong in this) most cars and light vans etc passed freely through without hassle. Larger goods vehicles were prone to checks, but even then not all, or so I have been led to believe.

Possibly you could call it a soft-boiled border, but nothing like the queues of vehicles that have been witnessed at other borders.
That is why I very carefully used the word "creative". However thank you Arlene for the input. :D