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Brexit - now we see what it means.

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Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Postby Setanta » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:16 pm

In answer to your question...
39% of the then ele torate voted for leave in the advisory referendum
36% voted to remain and
25% never bothered to vote.
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Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Postby shamalicious » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:33 pm

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Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Postby Dave » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:36 pm

I'm sure that the 36% remoaners, 25% non voters and the young people who have just become eligible to vote are all now completely enamoured with how wonderful Brexit has turned out to be...

We also know that no leavers felt in any way lied to or misled.

Another referendum would be 100% leave.

Brexit is going to be brill and we will all be very rich.
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Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Postby Cap'n Grumpy » Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:32 pm

shamalicious wrote:https://www.facebook.com/796085293847699/posts/1983497615106455/

Watch this.

Why? :scratch:
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Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Postby Dave » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:38 pm

3.7 million.

I love these russian bots.
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Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Postby Snipe Watson » Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:48 am

The desperation is palpable...... :lol: :lol:
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Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Postby Dave » Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:57 am

Snipe Watson wrote:The desperation is palpable......
Why is that funny?

Does Jesus tell you to laugh at other people's desperation?

Brexiteers make no attempt to soothe the anxiety of remoaners. Just explain with facts, how brexit will make our lives better...
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Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Postby big mervyn » Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:12 pm

Dave wrote:3.7 million.

I love these russian bots.

97% verified. So 100k or so dodgey ones. Capn Grumpy was responsible for around 50k of those, but in fairness, he thought he was voting for Rory Gallagher :lol:
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Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Postby Setanta » Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:37 pm

BBC are still wheeling out right-wing politicians to say we must follow the will of the people. I agree but the people have changed their minds and want another vote. Erm, no, we might lose.
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Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Postby Dave » Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:50 pm

The result of the referendum is not valid. Brexiteers told many lies which directly influenced the outcome. This is NOT representative of a democracy based on freedom and truth with people making an informed choice. Many made a misinformed choice.

One of the biggest lies being told was that the negotiations would be easy. Brexit has thus far been demonstrated as not remotely deliverable through the parliamentary system in the UK. Even at this stage brexiteers cannot agree on what brexit will actually look like.
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Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Postby Rooster » Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:49 am

Dave wrote:The result of the referendum is not valid. Brexiteers told many lies which directly influenced the outcome. This is NOT representative of a democracy based on freedom and truth with people making an informed choice. Many made a misinformed choice.

One of the biggest lies being told was that the negotiations would be easy. Brexit has thus far been demonstrated as not remotely deliverable through the parliamentary system in the UK. Even at this stage brexiteers cannot agree on what brexit will actually look like.
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Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Postby rumncoke » Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:20 am

Lies are only important if you can prove people believed them

Brexit is as difficult as the EU wish to make the negotiators for the Eu are accountable to nobody -- they listen to nobody and they suffer from tunnel vision ,they don't have to obtain the approval of anyone to any deal . If they listened they would know exactly what is required for an orderly exit which would be beneficial to all.

Your EU MP is an overpaid lobbyist and mouth piece a pure total bluff to democracy .

And it was and is the failure to listen and lack of accountability that ensures that a second referendum would show the same result and why parliament voted against it because it would be impossible to formulate and agree the question which would guarantee a remain vote.

It was the failure to listen and failure move and failure to agree to change -- that cause the vote for Brexit not the over statements of those who supported it.
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Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Postby Jackie Brown » Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:32 am

rumncoke wrote:Lies are only important if you can prove people believed them

Brexit is as difficult as the EU wish to make the negotiators for the Eu are accountable to nobody -- they listen to nobody and they suffer from tunnel vision ,they don't have to obtain the approval of anyone to any deal . If they listened they would know exactly what is required for an orderly exit which would be beneficial to all.

Your EU MP is an overpaid lobbyist and mouth piece a pure total bluff to democracy .

And it was and is the failure to listen and lack of accountability that ensures that a second referendum would show the same result and why parliament voted against it because it would be impossible to formulate and agree the question which would guarantee a remain vote.

It was the failure to listen and failure move and failure to agree to change -- that cause the vote for Brexit not the over statements of those who supported it.
Kinda like NI and Westminster then, because it's hardly democracy either. I have never voted for anyone in Westminster, I vote at every election because I don't think you can moan if you don't vote. Never has my chosen candidate been elected to Westminster. The DUP don't represent me, Westminster is undemocratic as far as NI is concerned.

The EU has its flaws but it's achieved an awful lot in its short time and I feel has the electorate more at heart than Westminster which would happily cut and destroy regulations to make more profits.

The EU were always going to fight their corner, that's how negotiations work, and they hold all the cards. If UK want to leave with no deal they could do it right now, they could have done it the day after the Flawed Referendum. They are only in negotiations because they know how suicidal that would be,bit the EU doesn't have to give them anything.

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Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Postby Jackie Brown » Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:37 am

A second referendum would give a different result, people are more informed now. You would however get the stubborn looneys who won't be shifted. They are particularly vocal at the minute because they know what result a second referendum would give.

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Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Postby Rooster » Mon Mar 25, 2019 1:24 am

Fundamental problem for UK from day 1.
EU free trade agreements depend on following their rules, for UK that means anything they export will be treated same as an external country, cars and other goods could get in at low or no tariff but agriculture is very tightly controlled so that was never on, possibly yes if free movement and a few other bits remained but UK had that as a red line.
Same goes for reciprocal health care etc no movement no deal.
Scientific research atomic energy etc pay your share of costs or feck off.

EU knew the rules and stuck to them UK ministers made them up as they went along.
EU have skilled negotiators gathered up from right across the EU including some from UK. UK didn't listen to the few they had and trawled the civil service for new ones, no bookie would give you odds of UK winning any rounds, it is like comparing a 1 year old driving a walking frame to the worlds best sports drivers.
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