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Post by Dave » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:33 pm

Pundits and MPs kept saying ‘why isn’t Leave arguing about the economy and living standards’. They did not realise that for millions of people, £350m/NHS was about the economy and living standards – that’s why it was so effective. It was clearly the most effective argument not only with the crucial swing fifth but with almost every demographic. Even with UKIP voters it was level-pegging with immigration. Would we have won without immigration? No. Would we have won without £350m/NHS? All our research and the close result strongly suggests No. Would we have won by spending our time talking about trade and the Single Market? No way.
This is a quote from Vote Leave director, Dominic Cummings. Confirming the lies won the vote. Leave knew their uneducated target base. Simple phrases like 'taking back control' convinced people on all the non-issues. The real issues were too complex. Dave Camoron fcuked up the remain campaign.
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Post by pwrmoore » Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:13 pm

Dave wrote:
Snipe Watson wrote:The desperation is palpable...... [emoji38] [emoji38]
Why is that funny?

Does Jesus tell you to laugh at other people's desperation?

Brexiteers make no attempt to soothe the anxiety of remoaners. Just explain with facts, how brexit will make our lives better...
3 days later snipe still seems to be unable to drum up any facts to explain the benefits of Brexit. :roll: :roll:

Petition passed 5.7M signatures this morning and is still climbing but the rate has dropped quite a bit.
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Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.

Post by Dave » Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:04 pm

pwrmoore wrote:
Dave wrote:
Snipe Watson wrote:The desperation is palpable...... [emoji38] [emoji38]
Why is that funny?

Does Jesus tell you to laugh at other people's desperation?

Brexiteers make no attempt to soothe the anxiety of remoaners. Just explain with facts, how brexit will make our lives better...
3 days later snipe still seems to be unable to drum up any facts to explain the benefits of Brexit. :roll: :roll:

Petition passed 5.7M signatures this morning and is still climbing but the rate has dropped quite a bit.
If he does come back it will be to blame the EU for something.
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Post by big mervyn » Tue Mar 26, 2019 3:06 pm

A good question to put to a Brexiteer is " give me an example of how the EU has negatively impacted YOU on a personal level". Very few of them can actually come up with anything specific.
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Post by namron » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:11 pm

big mervyn wrote:A good question to put to a Brexiteer is " give me an example of how the EU has negatively impacted YOU on a personal level". Very few of them can actually come up with anything specific.
How about No EU protection from China/Far East . Chinese goods flood the country costing less for which I can get the material to make them .Business c'est tres difficile mon ami.
As regards EU funding I know of one local specialised printing factory which was replaced and replicated to Poland wth EU Grant Aid furnishing the "new" endeavour.
The Woodburn Dam / fracking project was another EU corker. Give some bozos a million euros to irrevocably damage a reservoir in the name of local energy extraction - funny thing is they eventually found the square root of feck all and as they gleefully pumped their tonnes of lubricating biocides into the Woodburn water catchment area the bar steward soon new they wouldnt find anything but took the money anyway. You may well have drank this cocktail at some point if you live in North Belfast or in the Northern side of Belfast lough. Bottom line is ...no EU funding ,no drilling in Woodburn ,no Carcinogenic water.
We are now seeing the same EU funding to bequeathed to the Islandmagee gas storage project which will destroy most of the marine life in Larne lough if completed. Tasty Eh ?
I could go on about Greece / Ireland / Ukraine /foreign policy / Immigration which enrage me but are not exactly personal and I have have no involvement in physically protesting against them or seeing the effects of them..yet.
Hopefully the capitalist European union cabal will perish just as the communist Soviet union cabal and let Brexit be that small axe which fells the big tree .
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Post by Jackie Brown » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:17 pm

There's life in Larne Lough?

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Post by Dave » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:23 pm

Insert *personal gripe against the EU* offer no implementable brexit plan.
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Post by namron » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:30 pm

Jackie Brown wrote:There's life in Larne Lough?

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Yes jackie. Shellfish in abundance . It was the site of a good friends mussell business until recently.

Dave wrote:Insert *personal gripe against the EU* offer no implementable brexit plan.
That wasnt the question Davey Boy. No matter what plan is offered the EU will contrive to foil it. The UK must remain as part of the Collective .
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Post by Dave » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:35 pm

namron wrote:
Jackie Brown wrote:There's life in Larne Lough?

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Yes jackie. Shellfish in abundance . It was the site of a good friends mussell business until recently.

Dave wrote:Insert *personal gripe against the EU* offer no implementable brexit plan.
That wasnt the question Davey Boy. No matter what plan is offered the EU will contrive to foil it. The UK must remain as part of the Collective .
Of course [emoji106]

I would love to hear the immigration issues you have...
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Post by Dave » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:46 pm

EU funding is clearly evil. Having seen what the DUP can do with the block grant we should consider Norn Irexit from the UK also?
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Post by namron » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:58 pm

Dave wrote:
namron wrote:
Jackie Brown wrote:There's life in Larne Lough?

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Yes jackie. Shellfish in abundance . It was the site of a good friends mussell business until recently.

Dave wrote:Insert *personal gripe against the EU* offer no implementable brexit plan.
That wasnt the question Davey Boy. No matter what plan is offered the EU will contrive to foil it. The UK must remain as part of the Collective .
Of course [emoji106]

I would love to hear the immigration issues you have...
I dont have any. Ask someone from Bradford.
Dave wrote:EU funding is clearly evil. Having seen what the DUP can do with the block grant we should consider Norn Irexit from the UK also?
We should consider it most carefully and vote accordingly to ones conscience. If We are afforded a referendum the result should be honoured by M.P.s whose powers are lent by the people to enact the wishes of the people not given to them to do whatever suits them. Running water always follows the path of least resistance.
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Post by Dave » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:09 am

namron wrote:
I dont have any. Ask someone from Bradford.
Dave wrote:EU funding is clearly evil. Having seen what the DUP can do with the block grant we should consider Norn Irexit from the UK also?
We should consider it most carefully and vote accordingly to ones conscience.
Now why would I ask someone from Bradford?

I would prefer if people used rationality and logic.
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Post by namron » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:52 am

Dave wrote:
namron wrote:
I dont have any. Ask someone from Bradford.
Dave wrote:EU funding is clearly evil. Having seen what the DUP can do with the block grant we should consider Norn Irexit from the UK also?
We should consider it most carefully and vote accordingly to ones conscience.
Now why would I ask someone from Bradford?

I would prefer if people used rationality and logic.
Conscience is defined as a person's moral sense of right and wrong, viewed as acting as a guide to one's behaviour.We always use rationality and logic in decision making but use it devoid of conscience and tomorrow We are slaves. Have We not enough Government ,enough bureaucrats enough bankers.
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Post by jean valjean » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:21 am

namron wrote:
Dave wrote:
namron wrote:
Jackie Brown wrote:There's life in Larne Lough?

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Yes jackie. Shellfish in abundance . It was the site of a good friends mussell business until recently.

Dave wrote:Insert *personal gripe against the EU* offer no implementable brexit plan.
That wasnt the question Davey Boy. No matter what plan is offered the EU will contrive to foil it. The UK must remain as part of the Collective .
Of course [emoji106]

I would love to hear the immigration issues you have...
I dont have any. Ask someone from Bradford.
Dave wrote:EU funding is clearly evil. Having seen what the DUP can do with the block grant we should consider Norn Irexit from the UK also?
We should consider it most carefully and vote accordingly to ones conscience. If We are afforded a referendum the result should be honoured by M.P.s whose powers are lent by the people to enact the wishes of the people not given to them to do whatever suits them. Running water always follows the path of least resistance.
The key protection for shellfish and marine waters, and in fact all the water we drink comes from European directives. The same red tape which leavers want to shelf. How selfish is that.

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Post by pwrmoore » Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:25 am

namron wrote:
big mervyn wrote:A good question to put to a Brexiteer is " give me an example of how the EU has negatively impacted YOU on a personal level". Very few of them can actually come up with anything specific.
How about No EU protection from China/Far East . Chinese goods flood the country costing less for which I can get the material to make them .Business c'est tres difficile mon ami.
And the UK government will use our vast economic power to do something different? I think you'll find the Folks in the ERG want to shift their production to places like china to take advantage of the lower costs so they aren't going to support anything that makes that harder.

As regards EU funding I know of one local specialised printing factory which was replaced and replicated to Poland wth EU Grant Aid furnishing the "new" endeavor.
Globalisation of business - they would have done that with or without EU grant aid as many manufacturers have done.

The Woodburn Dam / fracking project was another EU corker. Give some bozos a million euros to irrevocably damage a reservoir in the name of local energy extraction - funny thing is they eventually found the square root of feck all and as they gleefully pumped their tonnes of lubricating biocides into the Woodburn water catchment area the bar steward soon new they wouldnt find anything but took the money anyway. You may well have drank this cocktail at some point if you live in North Belfast or in the Northern side of Belfast lough. Bottom line is ...no EU funding ,no drilling in Woodburn ,no Carcinogenic water.
Sorry but maybe they did find a way to get an EU grant to help - but what happened was due to the weakness of UK environmental protection enforcement.
We are now seeing the same EU funding to bequeathed to the Islandmagee gas storage project which will destroy most of the marine life in Larne lough if completed. Tasty Eh ?
Again - we already have the power to stop this if our government wants to exercise that power - and leaving the EU will do little but change the source of the funds.

I could go on about Greece / Ireland / Ukraine /foreign policy / Immigration which enrage me but are not exactly personal and I have have no involvement in physically protesting against them or seeing the effects of them..yet.
EU immigration has already been shown to benefit rather than impoverish the country and we will need it to support us in our old age. Immigration from outside the EU is already totally in our control. The UK is already more likely to follow the US lead on foreign policy rather than some grand overarching EU plan.
Hopefully the capitalist European union cabal will perish just as the communist Soviet union cabal and let Brexit be that small axe which fells the big tree .
This isn't going away any time soon. we can work from inside and try to fix it or we can leave and become an irrelevant, impoverished, racist little backwater. with Blue passports.
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