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How would you vote in a border poll?

Yes, to Irish Unity
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57%
No, stay with England, Wales and Scotland
13
43%
 
Total votes: 30

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Re: Irish Unity

Post by Rooster » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:26 pm

Dave wrote:Arlene will take NI off a cliff as long as it's the same cliff England fall off.
We can't fall off the Dover cliffs though, and falling off Fair Head would bring us nearer to Scotland and without a bridge how do we get across to fall off an English cliff ?
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Re: Irish Unity

Post by Dave » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:36 pm

Rooster wrote:
Dave wrote:Arlene will take NI off a cliff as long as it's the same cliff England fall off.
We can't fall off the Dover cliffs though, and falling off Fair Head would bring us nearer to Scotland and without a bridge how do we get across to fall off an English cliff ?
The metaphorical cliffs of Brexitonia. It's ok though, the milk and honey will break our fall. It's a wonderful place.
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Re: Irish Unity

Post by promenader 2 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 1:47 pm

Amiga500 wrote:The biggest irony in it all is, if Arlene had 2 brain cells to rub together - she'd have negotiated a deal where this place was best of both worlds (in fact, this was the deal that was on offer about 18 months ago that she rejected out of hand).

It would have secured the economy of this place, the UK and with it, NI's place within the union - as no economic floating vote would have backed a UI - as is clearly visible on this thread, folks pay more attention to whether they can put food on the table as opposed to the colour of the flag on buildings occupied by a bunch of pricks. The union would have been secured for several generations.

Instead, the DUP are forcing things to a situation where there realistically *could* be a border poll within 12 months.

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Re: Irish Unity

Post by solidarity » Tue Feb 19, 2019 2:43 pm

This thinking is characteristic of Fundamentalism the world over. It doesn't matter which type of fundamentalism: Christian, Islamic, Marxist, Republican or any other. Their ideological blinkers mean that they cannot accept pragmatism as anything other than a betrayal of their beliefs. But, in my opinion, worse still, is their inability to think creatively. Only harking back to an illusionary past or longing for a utopian future gives them any sense of direction. And as for compromise, that should be written c********e and barred by the moderators.

You're right, Amiga, this could have been a fabulous opportunity for NI to prosper. Ironically it could only work if the Union was copper fastened AND the all island continuity continued so both sides should have been happy. Is there time yet for a last minute epiphany? Certainly, but I'm not holding my breath.

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Re: Irish Unity

Post by CIMANFOREVER » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:48 am

Nay nay and thrice nay. Its more than flip flopping in times of crisis but seeing it out. Reforming the EU from within wouldve been preferred a la Varoufakis, but the true mask has slipped, so I want away.
The DUP dont represent my unionism , but neither does North Down. Enjoy spending your Euros in Dobbies etc..

Every dirty trick in the book... Return to conflict etc.. over what? Economics? Justify that one to the Yanks post 911 at your $1000 dollar a plate dinners...

What about the fishermen? Quietly forgotten because they dont meet the narrative. We're a fishing nation and our waters constantly raped by every nation in the EU.

Ah the dark skies of a UI. Not for me. Reform from within, bin petition of concern apart from constitutional matters and you'll have every reform you want, and supported by me.

Flip flop, eh? "Im a unionist, but" ... Pffft . No wonders Shinners smell blood.
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Re: Irish Unity

Post by CIMANFOREVER » Sat Mar 02, 2019 11:49 am

I voted no btw...
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Re: Irish Unity

Post by Shan » Sat Mar 02, 2019 10:37 pm

CIMANFOREVER wrote:
Flip flop, eh? "Im a unionist, but" ... Pffft . No wonders Shinners smell blood.
EUnionists eh. Next a small minority of them will organise marches passing anywhere sporting a UK Flag and playing fecking Ode to joy on their flutes. Ya couldn't be up to them.
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Re: Irish Unity

Post by CIMANFOREVER » Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:59 pm

Shan wrote:
CIMANFOREVER wrote:
Flip flop, eh? "Im a unionist, but" ... Pffft . No wonders Shinners smell blood.
EUnionists eh. Next a small minority of them will organise marches passing anywhere sporting a UK Flag and playing fecking Ode to joy on their flutes. Ya couldn't be up to them.
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Re: Irish Unity

Post by striker » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:34 am

Debate on Today with Sean O'Rourke RTE Radio 1 this morning with Joe Brolly and Jarlath Burns suggesting that the GAA should lead a call for for Border Poll in the North coming up before 12.00

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Post by CIMANFOREVER » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:45 pm

Great to see the GAA push the boundaries for more Unionist/ Praddesent inclusivity like their OO brothers and sisters... Did Brolley ever tell you the time he bantered wor Jackie McDonald just to prove hes nat sectarian?.. Jackie was up for a UI said Joe never...
I thought Jarlath had a bit more sense tbh.
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Re: Irish Unity

Post by big mervyn » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:21 pm

CIMANFOREVER wrote:Great to see the GAA push the boundaries for more Unionist/ Praddesent inclusivity like their OO brothers and sisters... Did Brolley ever tell you the time he bantered wor Jackie McDonald just to prove hes nat sectarian?.. Jackie was up for a UI said Joe never...
I thought Jarlath had a bit more sense tbh.
If there was ever a case for a border poll it's now. Same goes for the Scots.
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Re: Irish Unity

Post by jean valjean » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:05 am

CIMANFOREVER wrote:Great to see the GAA push the boundaries for more Unionist/ Praddesent inclusivity like their OO brothers and sisters... Did Brolley ever tell you the time he bantered wor Jackie McDonald just to prove hes nat sectarian?.. Jackie was up for a UI said Joe never...
I thought Jarlath had a bit more sense tbh.
But I thought the GAA is a sporting organisation and not political? hmmm.

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Re: Irish Unity

Post by Shan » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:17 pm

jean valjean wrote:But I thought the GAA is a sporting organisation and not political? hmmm.
The GAA has made no comment on any proposed border poll or on the larger Brexit subject. One or two GAA members, who have no authority, have suggested that the GAA should involve itself in a debate about a border poll. I don't agree with them and hope the GAA stays out of it. If the GAA gets involved CIMAN would have a valid point. What he currently has is a bit of whinging based on something he thinks, for no known valid reason, could happen.

Of course it has been well established that the otherwise sane CIMAN has a big issue with the GAA, some of which is justified, so no huge surprise he is getting a little hot and bothered now. :D
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Post by HwoodMike2umate » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:56 pm

If I was offered One Million pounds (or even euros) to vote for a United Ireland I suppose I would have to think long and hard about it and might well vote YES. But I very much doubt that that offer is going to happen so I don't waste much of my time lying in bed at night thinking or worrying about it. I recall being frequently told when I ventured south to study in TCD in 1974 that a United Ireland was just around the corner. Well all I can say is Some Corner.
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Post by HwoodMike2umate » Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:00 pm

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