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Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by big mervyn » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:25 pm

Reckon we're about 3rd seeds as things stand, with the chance to improve that in the play-offs?
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Post by Neill_M » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:31 pm

big mervyn wrote:Reckon we're about 3rd seeds as things stand, with the chance to improve that in the play-offs?
If Ulster win on Saturday, they will be Pot 3 at worst. If they lose and Munster also lose - Pot 4, if Munster win and Ulster lose - Pot 3.

Pot 1: Pro 14 No 1, T14 No 1, Prem No 1, 2 of (Pro 14 No 2, T14 No 2, Prem No 2)

Pot 2: 1 of (Pro 14 No 2, T14 No 2, Prem No 2), Pro 14 No 3, T14 No 3, Prem No 3, 1 of (Pro 14 No 4, T14 No 4, Prem No 4)

Pot 3: 2 of (Pro 14 No 4, T14 No 4, Prem No 4), Pro 14 No 5, T14 No 5, Prem No 5

Pot 4: Pro 14 No 6, T14 No 6, Prem No 6, Pro 14 No 7, Bonus Side

*The league which has its 2nd side placed in Pot 2 will also have its 4th side placed in Pot 2

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Post by big mervyn » Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:12 pm

So could get Pot 2 by beating Connacht and could get Pot 1 by reaching the final.
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Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by Neill_M » Tue May 21, 2019 10:04 am

Premiership with 3 sides in Pot 2:
Pot 1: T14 No 1, Prem No 1, T14 No 2
Pot 2: Prem No 2, T14 No 3, Gloucester, Saints
Pot 3: Ulster
Pot 4: Benetton, T14 No 6, Bath, Ospreys, Sale

Pro 14 with 3 sides in Pot 2:
Pot 1: T14 No 1, Prem No 1, T14 No 2, Prem No 2
Pot 2: Ulster
Pot 3: T14 No 4, Saints, T14 No 5, Quins
Pot 4: Benetton, T14 No 6, Bath, Ospreys, Sale

Top 14 with 3 sides in Pot 2:
Pot 1: T14 No 1, Prem No 1, Prem No 2
Pot 2: T14 No 2, T14 No 3, Gloucester, T14 No 4
Pot 3: Ulster
Pot 4: Benetton, T14 No 6, Bath, Ospreys, Sale

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Post by justinr73 » Sun May 26, 2019 10:11 am

The draw is on 19 June.

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Post by Neill_M » Tue May 28, 2019 10:01 am

Premiership with 3 sides in Pot 2:

Pot 1: T14 No 1, Prem No 1, T14 No 2
Pot 2: Prem No 2, T14 No 3, Gloucester, Saints
Pot 3: Ulster
Pot 4: Benetton, T14 No 6, Bath, Ospreys, Sale

Pro 14 with 3 sides in Pot 2:

Pot 1: T14 No 1, Prem No 1, T14 No 2, Prem No 2
Pot 2: Ulster
Pot 3: T14 No 4, Saints, T14 No 5, Quins
Pot 4: Benetton, T14 No 6, Bath, Ospreys, Sale

Top 14 with 3 sides in Pot 2:

Pot 1: T14 No 1, Prem No 1, Prem No 2
Pot 2: T14 No 2, T14 No 3, Gloucester, T14 No 4
Pot 3: Ulster
Pot 4: Benetton, T14 No 6, Bath, Ospreys, Sale

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Post by Neill_M » Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:22 pm

Montpellier into Pot 4 of the draw, 20% chance of a return to the Med next season.

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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by Neill_M » Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:24 am

Premiership with 3 sides in Pot 2:

Pot 1: T14 No 1, Saracens, T14 No 2
Pot 2: Chiefs, T14 No 3, Gloucester, Saints
Pot 3: Ulster
Pot 4: Benetton, Montpellier, Bath, Ospreys, Sale

Pro 14 with 3 sides in Pot 2:

Pot 1: T14 No 1, Saracens, T14 No 2, Chiefs
Pot 2: Ulster
Pot 3: T14 No 4, Saints, Racing 92, Quins
Pot 4: Benetton, Montpellier, Bath, Ospreys, Sale

Top 14 with 3 sides in Pot 2:

Pot 1: T14 No 1, Saracens, Chiefs
Pot 2: T14 No 2, T14 No 3, Gloucester, T14 No 4
Pot 3: Ulster
Pot 4: Benetton, Montpellier, Bath, Ospreys, Sale

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Post by UlsterNo9 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:40 am

In the scenario Toulouse beat Clermont in the Top 14 final what way does that leave the pots?
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Post by Neill_M » Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:42 am

UlsterNo9 wrote:In the scenario Toulouse beat Clermont in the Top 14 final what way does that leave the pots?
Toulouse would be Top 14 No 1 and Clermont Top 14 No 2 in such a scenario. Toulouse would be in Pot 1 with Clermont also in Pot 1 except for the scenario where the Top 14 has 3 sides in Pot 2, then Clermont would be in Pot 2.

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Post by UlsterNo9 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:51 pm

Thanks Neill, what scenario would mean France had three teams in Pot 2. What determines this?

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Post by Neill_M » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:03 pm

UlsterNo9 wrote:Thanks Neill, what scenario would mean France had three teams in Pot 2. What determines this?

Trying to get my head around this.... unsuccessfully
On the day of the draw, there is a mini draw before the main one which determines which league has teams 2, 3 and 4 in Pot 2.

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Post by Neill_M » Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:31 am

Premiership with 3 sides in Pot 2:
Pot 1: T14 No 1, Saracens, T14 No 2
Pot 2: Chiefs, Lyon, Gloucester, Saints
Pot 3: Ulster
Pot 4: Benetton, Montpellier, Bath, Ospreys, Sale

Pro 14 with 3 sides in Pot 2:
Pot 1: T14 No 1, Saracens, T14 No 2, Chiefs
Pot 2: Ulster
Pot 3: La Rochelle, Saints, Racing 92, Quins
Pot 4: Benetton, Montpellier, Bath, Ospreys, Sale

Top 14 with 3 sides in Pot 2:
Pot 1: T14 No 1, Saracens, Chiefs
Pot 2: T14 No 2, Lyon, Gloucester, La Rochelle
Pot 3: Ulster
Pot 4: Benetton, Montpellier, Bath, Ospreys, Sale

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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by LegsLikeSausages » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:16 pm

Neill_M wrote:Premiership with 3 sides in Pot 2:
Pot 1: T14 No 1, Saracens, T14 No 2
Pot 2: Chiefs, Lyon, Gloucester, Saints
Pot 3: Ulster
Pot 4: Benetton, Montpellier, Bath, Ospreys, Sale

Pro 14 with 3 sides in Pot 2:
Pot 1: T14 No 1, Saracens, T14 No 2, Chiefs
Pot 2: Ulster
Pot 3: La Rochelle, Saints, Racing 92, Quins
Pot 4: Benetton, Montpellier, Bath, Ospreys, Sale

Top 14 with 3 sides in Pot 2:
Pot 1: T14 No 1, Saracens, Chiefs
Pot 2: T14 No 2, Lyon, Gloucester, La Rochelle
Pot 3: Ulster
Pot 4: Benetton, Montpellier, Bath, Ospreys, Sale
Thanks Neill.
Seems to me, being in pot 2 doesn’t convey much of a benefit, if any.

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Post by Neill_M » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:57 am

Looking at possible draws, whether Ulster are in Pot 2/3 doesn't seem to matter. From a trip point of view, Pot 3 would be better as Gloucester/Lyon are then possible. Never been to Toulouse or Gloucester and Ulster have never played Lyon in the Heineken Cup.

Of the Pot 4 sides - Montpellier/Benetton/Bath would be good. Ospreys/Sale would be :roll:


Draw is next Wednesday of course.

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