GAA in Fleg and anthum debate

[Shan]

Good to see folk still have strong opinions on flegz.

Feeding the beast is the easiest thing in the world. If you can get paid for doing it, like Brolly does, even better.

[TMHG]

The usual bland buffoonish rubbish that the Tricolour is an emblem of the peaceful coming together of the green and "orange"... nice line in stereotyping that all from the "other" community, presumably Unionist (maybe black Proddie) have an orange affiliation as symbolised in the non divisive tricolour, despite the fact that a "Unionist" may be:

Isn't it odd that the only place in the world the tricolour & anthem is regarded as devisive is in one small corner of the island of Ireland.

Not odd at all. Wave a confederate flag in some parts of the states or a Spanish flag in some small parts of spain and see what happens. Flags and anthems are used the world over to define a particular sect/race/nationality and when they are used in a conflict situation become part of the problem. At the same time anyone who goes out of their way to be annoyed by either is a a bit of a tw*t.

The Confederate flag now represents white supremacists. Not remotely comparable to the flag of a sovereign state like the Tri Colour is. I don't think the Spanish flag is any way comparable either - Barcelona fly the separatist flag (and won their appeal to display it in court recently, but were fined by FIFA)!

[TMHG]

The usual bland buffoonish rubbish that the Tricolour is an emblem of the peaceful coming together of the green and "orange"... nice line in stereotyping that all from the "other" community, presumably Unionist (maybe black Proddie) have an orange affiliation as symbolised in the non divisive tricolour, despite the fact that a "Unionist" may be:

Isn't it odd that the only place in the world the tricolour & anthem is regarded as devisive is in one small corner of the island of Ireland.

Would that be the country in which it's not the constutionally and internationally recognised flag TMHG? How would the flag of NI be greeted if flown in Dublin?
Interesting you don't put forth any worthwhile input or rejoinder other than your facile comment. Your either incredibly niave, stupid or just a trolling pr*ck. I plump for the latter

As far as I know, the Tri Colour is internationally recognised as the flag of Ireland and can be seen flown all over the world, for instance, alongside the other 27 member states of the EU.

As far as I know the Flag of Northern Ireland is the Union flag and that can be seen flying in Dublin on occasion (for instance EU meetings). I've seen plenty of the NI flag used by NI football team in Dublin and occasionally at rugby matches - mind you there were 100s of them at HCup final in '99 - people were just a bit bemused by the quantity I think more than anything else.

I wouldn't engage with the rest of your post as I don't think anything I'd say would convince you to change your mind.

[TMHG]

I'm still confused. Does the GAA make every club play this song before every game and fly that flag?

No they don't make anyone do anything. People want to do it. Even the team jumping up and down before the anthem is finished (regarded by some as disrespectful) is now all part of the GAA tradition.

There are all sorts of traditions - for example - in a double header the anthem is played between the two games. Talk to any of the players and they love the parade around the pitch before the game.

Some teams have an anthem they play - Ulster plays Stand Up for the Ulstermen, Munster have Stand Up and Fight etc. The GAA has AnaB.

[Snipe Watson]

I'm still confused. Does the GAA make every club play this song before every game and fly that flag?

No they don't make anyone do anything. People want to do it. Even the team jumping up and down before the anthem is finished (regarded by some as disrespectful) is now all part of the GAA tradition.

There are all sorts of traditions - for example - in a double header the anthem is played between the two games. Talk to any of the players and they love the parade around the pitch before the game.

Some teams have an anthem they play - Ulster plays Stand Up for the Ulstermen, Munster have Stand Up and Fight etc. The GAA has AnaB.

TMHG. Last few posts, all very factual and correct, but our society is not normal and the tricolour has been shoved in the face of Unionists as the symbol of militant nationalism for decades. It is therefore politicised in the worst possible way and is an anathema to many people who live on this island. That is a fact whether you like it or not.
I don't know if you intend it, but your line of reasoning on this issue comes across as more than a little passive aggressive.

I'm on the record on this board over a lot of years opposing all flags and emblems. I'm also on the record as proposing a New Ireland, free of all the sectarian symbols and trappings. An Ireland where everyone can buy in and nobody is excluded. All this guff about the tricolour being the coming together of the two traditions with the white of peace is between is quite frankly bull. Maybe some deluded fool meant it to be that way, but that isn't the way it played out in the real world.
I don't often side with Russ, but he's right about the GAA. It is a sectarian organisation and just because they changed their rule book a while back in an effort to come across as inclusive, it was a mealy mouthed, half assed effort and not even close to being close to breaking down the barriers they their organisation has promoted and bolstered for decades. You believe what you will and fair play to you, but the Tricolour and the stance taken by the GAA are impediments to actual Irish unity, because that will only come to pass when the hearts and minds of all people are won over and they see a flag, anthem and state that they can call their own.

[Russ]

Imagine Glenavon wanting to play the sash and have a parade before every game. Players might love it

[BR]

As far as I know, the Tri Colour is internationally recognised as the flag of Ireland and can be seen flown all over the world, for instance, alongside the other 27 member states of the EU.

Indeed and it is probably perfectly legal to fly the flag of the Russian sovereign state in the Ukraine.

[Gary]

Indeed it is BR- just rather unwise in the west of Ukraine (the nationalist bit of the country).

Incidentally, I understand that you can't fly the Ukrainian flag in Crimea, even though, in spite of what Mr Putin might think, it is still part of Ukraine.

Guess we're not the only people who have a fleg problem.

[Russ]

Indeed it is BR- just rather unwise in the west of Ukraine (the nationalist bit of the country).

Incidentally, I understand that you can't fly the Ukrainian flag in Crimea, even though, in spite of what Mr Putin might think, it is still part of Ukraine.

Guess we're not the only people who have a fleg problem.

The USA seems to have one too. Fly a fleg and get called a racist. That happens in NI too I think

[WeeWorld]

Imagine Glenavon wanting to play the sash and have a parade before every game. Players might love it

Would anyone else notice?

[BaggyTrousers]

I'm still confused. Does the GAA make every club play this song before every game and fly that flag?

No they don't make anyone do anything. People want to do it. Even the team jumping up and down before the anthem is finished (regarded by some as disrespectful) is now all part of the GAA tradition.

There are all sorts of traditions - for example - in a double header the anthem is played between the two games. Talk to any of the players and they love the parade around the pitch before the game.

Some teams have an anthem they play - Ulster plays Stand Up for the Ulstermen, Munster have Stand Up and Fight etc. The GAA has AnaB.

TMHG. Last few posts, all very factual and correct, but our society is not normal and the tricolour has been shoved in the face of Unionists as the symbol of militant nationalism for decades. It is therefore politicised in the worst possible way and is an anathema to many people who live on this island. That is a fact whether you like it or not.
I don't know if you intend it, but your line of reasoning on this issue comes across as more than a little passive aggressive.

I'm on the record on this board over a lot of years opposing all flags and emblems. I'm also on the record as proposing a New Ireland, free of all the sectarian symbols and trappings. An Ireland where everyone can buy in and nobody is excluded. All this guff about the tricolour being the coming together of the two traditions with the white of peace is between is quite frankly bull. Maybe some deluded fool meant it to be that way, but that isn't the way it played out in the real world.
I don't often side with Russ, but he's right about the GAA. It is a sectarian organisation and just because they changed their rule book a while back in an effort to come across as inclusive, it was a mealy mouthed, half assed effort and not even close to being close to breaking down the barriers they their organisation has promoted and bolstered for decades. You believe what you will and fair play to you, but the Tricolour and the stance taken by the GAA are impediments to actual Irish unity, because that will only come to pass when the hearts and minds of all people are won over and they see a flag, anthem and state that they can call their own.

Having been brought up in an area where close by the impoverished painted every kerbstone they could find red white & blue, and now living in Dee Stitt's North Down where apparently he protects me by flying a multiplicity of flegs, Union Jacks, Ulster/NI Flegs, this year some rather pretty Somme Commemoration Flegs (much as I resent the local hoods hijacking the Somme Centenary as theirs in some way) and in years past a variety of paramilitary flegs, I find it strange that you can possibly think you have had the Irish fleg rubbed in you face without some much as a hint of irony.

The rest of your post I absolutely share the sentiments barring our friend as in any way aggressive, passive or otherwise, indeed my learned friend CIMAN as far as I can see is the main source of any aggressive intercourse. Then again he was a prop, it's his job to be.

Flegs & anfums eh? Always guaranteed to make things a tad narky. Needless to say, as an equal opportunity hater, I have no allegiance to either the Onion Jack nor the feckin' tricolour (I dislike the Irish fleg being called that incidentally, it is merely descriptive of the type of fleg it is, not it's name as the better educated will know, the French, Italians, Belgians, Mexicans and many more fly tricolours, the clue is in the name.)

[WeeWorld]

Imagine if the O.O got into parading on a pitch they owned themselves rather than up and down the public roads.
I'd imagine some people might regard that as a big gesture. Maybe not Russ or Snipe but some people might?

[Russ]

Imagine if the O.O got into parading on a pitch they owned themselves rather than up and down the public roads.
I'd imagine some people might regard that as a big gesture. Maybe not Russ or Snipe but some people might?

I'd rather if parades were had, parades were had in private

I hate all things that infringe on the rights of others and parades or protests closing roads definitely meet that criteria

That being said, what is good for the goose is good for the gander

[Russ]

Imagine Glenavon wanting to play the sash and have a parade before every game. Players might love it

Would anyone else notice?

I don't think anyone notices the GAA until they get their very good PR team to make a song and dance about it

[WeeWorld]

Imagine Glenavon wanting to play the sash and have a parade before every game. Players might love it

Would anyone else notice?

I don't think anyone notices the GAA until they get their very good PR team to make a song and dance about it

I dunno Russ, people attend GAA matches.