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Re: URC 2021/22 - Other Sides
Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2022 9:22 am
by Dublin4
I was quite wrong about what would happen in Thomond.
You may consider this a strange comment coming from me but Leinster's domination is bad for everyone. I have friends giving up their season tickets next season as they are just fed up watching one sided games. They can pick and choose to go to a H Cup game. So far the SA teams have not really made an impact though that might change.
Many Leinster players are exiting the squad but the conveyor belt keeps moving along.
I really hoped Munster would at least keep the game in doubt to the end but they were well outclassed.
Re: URC 2021/22 - Other Sides
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:09 am
by Neill_M
Dan Leavy retiring from rugby with immediate effect.
Re: URC 2021/22 - Other Sides
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:35 am
by rumncoke
Seems to similar to JEREMY DAVIDSON
WALK NO WALK
A loss to leinster and Irish rugby ( as if we care for either ) more sorry for the guy himself to be honest
Re: URC 2021/22 - Other Sides
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:40 am
by Dublin4
Leavy's on field injury when a saffie playing for you took him out is a horrible memory. I remember the stunned silence around the Aviva stadium.
Still, 2018 was his annus mirabilis. Grand slam, beat NZ and a Heineken cup medal was a great haul. He has spent three years trying to get back and it is time to move on.
Re: URC 2021/22 - Other Sides
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:08 am
by Neill_M
Saturday, 9 April 2022
DHL Stormers vs Vodacom Bulls at DHL Cape Town Stadium, Cape Town - 13h00
Referee: Frank Murphy
Assistant Referees: AM Jacobs, Aimee Barrett-Theron
Television Match Official: Marius van der Westhuizen
Cell C Sharks vs Emirates Lions at Hollywoodbets Kings Park, Durban - 15h05
Referee: Ben Blain
Assistant Referees: Cwengile Jadezweni, Griffin Colby
Television Match Official: Marius Jonker
Cardiff Rugby vs Scarlets at Cardiff Arms Park, Cardiff - 15h10
Referee: Adam Jones
Assistant Referees: Rhys Jones, Carwyn Williams
Television Match Official: Sean Brickell
Re: URC 2021/22 - Other Sides
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:28 am
by justinr73
Dublin4 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:40 am
Leavy's on field injury when a saffie playing for you took him out is a horrible memory. I remember the stunned silence around the Aviva stadium.
Still, 2018 was his annus mirabilis. Grand slam, beat NZ and a Heineken cup medal was a great haul. He has spent three years trying to get back and it is time to move on.
Not sure that your memory is entirely accurate.
However, Leavy was a true warrior and a ferocious competitor and it almost seems apt, albeit a great shame, that he’s had to leave the playing arena on his shield, more or less.
Re: URC 2021/22 - Other Sides
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:22 pm
by Neill_M
Jim Hamilton on the Rugby Pod speculating that the URC Final will be down in South Africa. It is scheduled for June, so SH winter. Interesting to see if that happens etc.
Re: URC 2021/22 - Other Sides
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:29 pm
by jean valjean
justinr73 wrote:Dublin4 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:40 am
Leavy's on field injury when a saffie playing for you took him out is a horrible memory. I remember the stunned silence around the Aviva stadium.
Still, 2018 was his annus mirabilis. Grand slam, beat NZ and a Heineken cup medal was a great haul. He has spent three years trying to get back and it is time to move on.
Not sure that your memory is entirely accurate.
However, Leavy was a true warrior and a ferocious competitor and it almost seems apt, albeit a great shame, that he’s had to leave the playing arena on his shield, more or less.
The defence of toners clear out on coombes while harping on about this is a bit hypocritical of leinster fans. Both were unfortunate accidents and a result of breakdown laws with unintended consequences. A sad ending for leavy, he was a terrific player who appeared to have a higher ceiling than vdf at the time.
Re: URC 2021/22 - Other Sides
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:33 pm
by Neill_M
Neill_M wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:22 pm
Jim Hamilton on the Rugby Pod speculating that the URC Final will be down in South Africa. It is scheduled for June, so SH winter. Interesting to see if that happens etc.
Would surely need a South African side in the final for that to work, which means not deciding a final venue until the Semi Finals are done, a whole 7 days before the final.......
Re: URC 2021/22 - Other Sides
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 7:53 pm
by Dublin4
To be clear, Leavy's injury was part and parcel of the game at the time. Rugby is physically demanding and these are the risks you take. Nobody meant this to be a career ending tackle. Still, a terrible shame. His efforts to come back were trojan but ultimately futile.
Re: URC 2021/22 - Other Sides
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 9:56 am
by allezlesverres
Dublin4 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 7:53 pm
To be clear, Leavy's injury was part and parcel of the game at the time. Rugby is physically demanding and these are the risks you take. Nobody meant this to be a career ending tackle. Still, a terrible shame. His efforts to come back were trojan but ultimately futile.
I'm with D4 on this one. I thought Herbsts clear out was grim and very likely to cause injury. I don't think it was intended and I don't think it was illegal but even as an Ulster fan I've always held a grudge against herbst since then.
I'm gutted for Leavy, he was such an athlete and really seemed to be on the up. That clear out apparently damaged almost all the ligaments and tendons in his knee to the extent it was basically skin holding the joint together. It's a miracle he is back walking but professional rugby was always unlikely.
Re: URC 2021/22 - Other Sides
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 2:57 pm
by BR
My memory of the Herbst on Leavy incident was that there was a tackle, Leavy was the tackle assist. Herbst went in to create the ruck and whether Leavy's leg was caught up in the tackle or whatever, his feet were planted in a bad place and he got bulldozed. I don't remember it being a ruck clearout as such (which IMHO are illegal and should be reffed out of the game), nor do I remember it being especially aggressive (on a very high scale, you understand).
It could be that Leavy was going for the jackal (illegally?) and that is why he was positioned the way he was.
Rugby needs to go back to competitive rucking and reduce the attraction of jackals as a primary source of turnover ball. That way there will be less incentive for players to put themselves in these dangerous stances.
Re: URC 2021/22 - Other Sides
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 6:10 pm
by Jetstream
BR wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 2:57 pm
My memory of the Herbst on Leavy incident was that there was a tackle, Leavy was the tackle assist. Herbst went in to create the ruck and whether Leavy's leg was caught up in the tackle or whatever, his feet were planted in a bad place and he got bulldozed. I don't remember it being a ruck clearout as such (which IMHO are illegal and should be reffed out of the game), nor do I remember it being especially aggressive (on a very high scale, you understand).
It could be that Leavy was going for the jackal (illegally?) and that is why he was positioned the way he was.
Rugby needs to go back to competitive rucking and reduce the attraction of jackals as a primary source of turnover ball. That way there will be less incentive for players to put themselves in these dangerous stances.
That's a good summary of the incident. There was no nothing illegal about it. No penalty, no card, no citing. I think it is nasty making something out of nothing. We are all sorry that Dan has had to retire and we wish him well.
Re: URC 2021/22 - Other Sides
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:56 pm
by allezlesverres
I'm not going to watch it back BR, but that's basically it as far as I recall. Leavy was poaching/slowing the ball and the way herbst put him off his feet was against the grain of the knee. I was clear at the time and still am that it wasn't illegal . It was still grim, and shouldn't have happened. I never spent any amount of time clearing out rucks so I've no idea what you see when you're heading into it, but watching it I felt it was clumsy and unsympathetic to leavy if I put it neutrally. I'd be raging if I was leavy.
Re: URC 2021/22 - Other Sides
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 7:38 am
by BR
Herbst was being paid to be unsympathetic to Leavy.
Like I say - it wasnt even a clear out - it was just a ruck, but Leavy had the wrong stance to be rucking. Maybe because he was jackaling/slowing the ball as you suggest.