Re: Teflon Man
Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2024 9:43 pm
Not how I remember him but he was a decent athlete for a big man. He had another nickname too....
I too don’t agree with some of those choices but for different reasons…Cockatrice wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 3:34 pmYes, this created a good debate on Twitter / Facebook. Didn't agree with some of his individual colour choices but the overall point is fair that there has been a lot more misses than hits.Neill_M wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 11:56 am [quote=TheBoat post_id=737310 time=<a href="tel:1712399454">1712399454</a> user_id=2187]
He's been absolutely brutal.
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For example, he has Baby Humph, Coetzee, Addison and Piutau as green. All of which I disagree with.
I would say the IRFU have been indifferent up until now Lurgan Lad, we can get angry and feel sorry for ourselves or angry and do something about it. On cue Rum'n weighs in above with what I'm talking about.Lurgan Lad wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:37 pmDid they not care before? Not sure there are many Ulster supporters that are feeling sorry for our treatment (other than PJ and SO), they are angry that we are producing so little and those responsible have got away with it for too long.UlsterNo9 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:26 pm D4 do care now, and rightly so, when we're running at a loss, we're a parasite draining the coffers.
This feeling sorry for ourselves that we don't get the rub from D4 needs to stop, the wow me feeling sorry for ones self, the chip on the shoulder, its pathetic...... the IRFU is a business, if one of the branches is not up to scratch, whilst the other is selling out Lansdowne Road yet again and making them a healthy profit where do you put your investment.
If the IRFU were a private company, they'd be looking as to whether Ulster were viable, and if consolidating with the other three provinces would be a wiser move. Ulsters main purpose is to feed players to the international team, since Henderson, only Tom Stewart has come through as a home grown international forward. There were zero Ulster players in recent 6 nation international squads. The returns aren't there and national team hasn't suffered.
Nuke us now.
Almost twice the amount of people live in Ulster, than in Munster, they have GAA hotbeds also. Limerick, Clare, Tipperary and Kerry are all big Hurling and GAA football counties, and Waterford is a big football (soccer) county.UlsterNo9 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2024 9:04 amI would say the IRFU have been indifferent up until now Lurgan Lad, we can get angry and feel sorry for ourselves or angry and do something about it. On cue Rum'n weighs in above with what I'm talking about.Lurgan Lad wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:37 pmDid they not care before? Not sure there are many Ulster supporters that are feeling sorry for our treatment (other than PJ and SO), they are angry that we are producing so little and those responsible have got away with it for too long.UlsterNo9 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:26 pm D4 do care now, and rightly so, when we're running at a loss, we're a parasite draining the coffers.
This feeling sorry for ourselves that we don't get the rub from D4 needs to stop, the wow me feeling sorry for ones self, the chip on the shoulder, its pathetic...... the IRFU is a business, if one of the branches is not up to scratch, whilst the other is selling out Lansdowne Road yet again and making them a healthy profit where do you put your investment.
If the IRFU were a private company, they'd be looking as to whether Ulster were viable, and if consolidating with the other three provinces would be a wiser move. Ulsters main purpose is to feed players to the international team, since Henderson, only Tom Stewart has come through as a home grown international forward. There were zero Ulster players in recent 6 nation international squads. The returns aren't there and national team hasn't suffered.
Nuke us now.
The marvel of producing our own, i actually think its Munster we should be looking at as the blueprint not Leinster, similar size of province, now bringing as many youth through the club route as schools.
I'd take £1mil of playing budget for the next 5 years and hire two dozen directors of rugby on £40-50k per year and pair them with a club and school putting a programme and training in place for youth rugby. Schools outside of Belfast such as Armagh, Ballymena, Ballyclare, Wallace and Sullivan in Willie Anderson days all punch above their weight when theirs a full time professional DOR in place. Raise the standard. Produce half a dozen players worthy of a central IRFU contract and your return on investment is double, produce three and your costs are covered plus the other players coming through.
Going by population can be misleading, by that theory China would win every rugby world cup, what Munster have done is started to produce professional rugby players from the GAA hotbeds you've rightly picked out. West Cork is now a productive source of players as the likes of Fineen and Josh Wycherley, Liam Coombes, John Hodnett, and Gavin Coombes have made the professional ranks. Cork city and its schools remain key production lines, but there are also Tipp men in Jake Flannery, Ben Healy, and Diarmuid Barron making it professional. We've done nothing to grow the game in non traditional areas, at the same time there is scope to get so much more out of the traditional areas.Big-al wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2024 9:22 amAlmost twice the amount of people live in Ulster, than in Munster, they have GAA hotbeds also. Limerick, Clare, Tipperary and Kerry are all big Hurling and GAA football counties, and Waterford is a big football (soccer) county.UlsterNo9 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2024 9:04 amI would say the IRFU have been indifferent up until now Lurgan Lad, we can get angry and feel sorry for ourselves or angry and do something about it. On cue Rum'n weighs in above with what I'm talking about.Lurgan Lad wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:37 pmDid they not care before? Not sure there are many Ulster supporters that are feeling sorry for our treatment (other than PJ and SO), they are angry that we are producing so little and those responsible have got away with it for too long.UlsterNo9 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:26 pm D4 do care now, and rightly so, when we're running at a loss, we're a parasite draining the coffers.
This feeling sorry for ourselves that we don't get the rub from D4 needs to stop, the wow me feeling sorry for ones self, the chip on the shoulder, its pathetic...... the IRFU is a business, if one of the branches is not up to scratch, whilst the other is selling out Lansdowne Road yet again and making them a healthy profit where do you put your investment.
If the IRFU were a private company, they'd be looking as to whether Ulster were viable, and if consolidating with the other three provinces would be a wiser move. Ulsters main purpose is to feed players to the international team, since Henderson, only Tom Stewart has come through as a home grown international forward. There were zero Ulster players in recent 6 nation international squads. The returns aren't there and national team hasn't suffered.
Nuke us now.
The marvel of producing our own, i actually think its Munster we should be looking at as the blueprint not Leinster, similar size of province, now bringing as many youth through the club route as schools.
I'd take £1mil of playing budget for the next 5 years and hire two dozen directors of rugby on £40-50k per year and pair them with a club and school putting a programme and training in place for youth rugby. Schools outside of Belfast such as Armagh, Ballymena, Ballyclare, Wallace and Sullivan in Willie Anderson days all punch above their weight when theirs a full time professional DOR in place. Raise the standard. Produce half a dozen players worthy of a central IRFU contract and your return on investment is double, produce three and your costs are covered plus the other players coming through.
We should be producing considerably more top class players than Munster, given the population size and economic advantages of having a city with a greater population of almost 1million people.
The historic home of rugby in Munster is Limerick, which is now considered a Hurling town and which has a similar enough population to Derry/Londonderry.
All I have heard from McFarland and Cunningham over the last few seasons with regards to Ulsters development programme is excuses, excuses, excuses.
Plenty of words and strategies. In all the above analysis has anyone considered that there is also rugby played in Fermanagh, Monaghan, Cavan and Donegal. Plenty of potential there for harvesting.UlsterNo9 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 1:40 pmGoing by population can be misleading, by that theory China would win every rugby world cup, what Munster have done is started to produce professional rugby players from the GAA hotbeds you've rightly picked out. West Cork is now a productive source of players as the likes of Fineen and Josh Wycherley, Liam Coombes, John Hodnett, and Gavin Coombes have made the professional ranks. Cork city and its schools remain key production lines, but there are also Tipp men in Jake Flannery, Ben Healy, and Diarmuid Barron making it professional. We've done nothing to grow the game in non traditional areas, at the same time there is scope to get so much more out of the traditional areas.Big-al wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2024 9:22 amAlmost twice the amount of people live in Ulster, than in Munster, they have GAA hotbeds also. Limerick, Clare, Tipperary and Kerry are all big Hurling and GAA football counties, and Waterford is a big football (soccer) county.UlsterNo9 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2024 9:04 amI would say the IRFU have been indifferent up until now Lurgan Lad, we can get angry and feel sorry for ourselves or angry and do something about it. On cue Rum'n weighs in above with what I'm talking about.Lurgan Lad wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:37 pmDid they not care before? Not sure there are many Ulster supporters that are feeling sorry for our treatment (other than PJ and SO), they are angry that we are producing so little and those responsible have got away with it for too long.UlsterNo9 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:26 pm D4 do care now, and rightly so, when we're running at a loss, we're a parasite draining the coffers.
This feeling sorry for ourselves that we don't get the rub from D4 needs to stop, the wow me feeling sorry for ones self, the chip on the shoulder, its pathetic...... the IRFU is a business, if one of the branches is not up to scratch, whilst the other is selling out Lansdowne Road yet again and making them a healthy profit where do you put your investment.
If the IRFU were a private company, they'd be looking as to whether Ulster were viable, and if consolidating with the other three provinces would be a wiser move. Ulsters main purpose is to feed players to the international team, since Henderson, only Tom Stewart has come through as a home grown international forward. There were zero Ulster players in recent 6 nation international squads. The returns aren't there and national team hasn't suffered.
Nuke us now.
The marvel of producing our own, i actually think its Munster we should be looking at as the blueprint not Leinster, similar size of province, now bringing as many youth through the club route as schools.
I'd take £1mil of playing budget for the next 5 years and hire two dozen directors of rugby on £40-50k per year and pair them with a club and school putting a programme and training in place for youth rugby. Schools outside of Belfast such as Armagh, Ballymena, Ballyclare, Wallace and Sullivan in Willie Anderson days all punch above their weight when theirs a full time professional DOR in place. Raise the standard. Produce half a dozen players worthy of a central IRFU contract and your return on investment is double, produce three and your costs are covered plus the other players coming through.
We should be producing considerably more top class players than Munster, given the population size and economic advantages of having a city with a greater population of almost 1million people.
The historic home of rugby in Munster is Limerick, which is now considered a Hurling town and which has a similar enough population to Derry/Londonderry.
All I have heard from McFarland and Cunningham over the last few seasons with regards to Ulsters development programme is excuses, excuses, excuses.
Interesting read from 2020
https://www.the42.ie/munster-limerick-r ... 5-Apr2020/
Tipperary and West Cork are your Munster equivalent of Fermanagh, Monaghan, Donegal, Cavan.....
Perhaps we should employ the Chinese policy of national service. Everyone plays one year for Ulster.UlsterNo9 wrote:Going by population can be misleading, by that theory China would win every rugby world cup, what Munster have done is started to produce professional rugby players from the GAA hotbeds you've rightly picked out. West Cork is now a productive source of players as the likes of Fineen and Josh Wycherley, Liam Coombes, John Hodnett, and Gavin Coombes have made the professional ranks. Cork city and its schools remain key production lines, but there are also Tipp men in Jake Flannery, Ben Healy, and Diarmuid Barron making it professional. We've done nothing to grow the game in non traditional areas, at the same time there is scope to get so much more out of the traditional areas.Big-al wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2024 9:22 amAlmost twice the amount of people live in Ulster, than in Munster, they have GAA hotbeds also. Limerick, Clare, Tipperary and Kerry are all big Hurling and GAA football counties, and Waterford is a big football (soccer) county.UlsterNo9 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2024 9:04 amI would say the IRFU have been indifferent up until now Lurgan Lad, we can get angry and feel sorry for ourselves or angry and do something about it. On cue Rum'n weighs in above with what I'm talking about.Lurgan Lad wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:37 pmDid they not care before? Not sure there are many Ulster supporters that are feeling sorry for our treatment (other than PJ and SO), they are angry that we are producing so little and those responsible have got away with it for too long.UlsterNo9 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 8:26 pm D4 do care now, and rightly so, when we're running at a loss, we're a parasite draining the coffers.
This feeling sorry for ourselves that we don't get the rub from D4 needs to stop, the wow me feeling sorry for ones self, the chip on the shoulder, its pathetic...... the IRFU is a business, if one of the branches is not up to scratch, whilst the other is selling out Lansdowne Road yet again and making them a healthy profit where do you put your investment.
If the IRFU were a private company, they'd be looking as to whether Ulster were viable, and if consolidating with the other three provinces would be a wiser move. Ulsters main purpose is to feed players to the international team, since Henderson, only Tom Stewart has come through as a home grown international forward. There were zero Ulster players in recent 6 nation international squads. The returns aren't there and national team hasn't suffered.
Nuke us now.
The marvel of producing our own, i actually think its Munster we should be looking at as the blueprint not Leinster, similar size of province, now bringing as many youth through the club route as schools.
I'd take £1mil of playing budget for the next 5 years and hire two dozen directors of rugby on £40-50k per year and pair them with a club and school putting a programme and training in place for youth rugby. Schools outside of Belfast such as Armagh, Ballymena, Ballyclare, Wallace and Sullivan in Willie Anderson days all punch above their weight when theirs a full time professional DOR in place. Raise the standard. Produce half a dozen players worthy of a central IRFU contract and your return on investment is double, produce three and your costs are covered plus the other players coming through.
We should be producing considerably more top class players than Munster, given the population size and economic advantages of having a city with a greater population of almost 1million people.
The historic home of rugby in Munster is Limerick, which is now considered a Hurling town and which has a similar enough population to Derry/Londonderry.
All I have heard from McFarland and Cunningham over the last few seasons with regards to Ulsters development programme is excuses, excuses, excuses.
Interesting read from 2020
https://www.the42.ie/munster-limerick-r ... 5-Apr2020/
The likes of Stu , Hendy and Herring are top class players who as you say, aren't getting international caps because of the high standards across the board in Ireland. Conversely TOT is in the squads but yet to show he is a top class prop. But the likes of Al O'connor and Matty Rea wouldn't get into any other side.UlsterAreBrill wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 7:41 pm It’s also not true that we are producing no players. The majority of our pack is now home grown, or at least a respectable pack could be put out with a good home grown contingent.
Warwick, Stewart, O’Toole, Hendo, Sheridan, Rea Jr, McCann, Rea Sr
Granted there are some problems there, primarily at 1 and 8, but you could easily fill those positions, and others, with guys who aren’t Ulster born but we’ve taken a chance on and have/could become very good players, e.g Timoney, Treadwell, Al, Izzy
The gripe seems to be that none are represented at international level which is a bit of a moot point. Being ‘top class’ doesn’t guarantee international selection, especially given the depth the national side currently has in the pack. Likewise, just because they aren’t getting capped, doesn’t mean they aren’t top class.
If the likes of McCann, Stu, O’Toole, Timoney were going to represent another country, you can guarantee they would be capped by now multiple times over.
TLDR; it’s a myth we’re not producing ‘top class’ players.