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Re: Any word on the Academy?

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:12 pm
by UlsterAreBrill
On the topic of scrum halves, is Soper’s son not a leaver this year? He has played underage representative rugby?

Not that that is a measure of quality but if he was a leaver surely he’s worth a punt

Re: Any word on the Academy?

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:21 pm
by DodgyEverything
kingofthehill wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:15 pm
Bobbievee wrote:
kingofthehill wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:44 pm Murphy and de Klerk are quality. I’m absolutely delighted with this.


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More than happy to follow your credibility on these issues. Is this confirmed?
Maybe also our new regime will move away from the " they will be better when they are older........." theory. If not good enough at 20/21/22 they are not going to be good enough. Look at the number of young out halves starting to populate the English Premier.
Murphy and Berman not confirmed yet. Fingers crossed it gets over the line.

Clark Logan also in.


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Josh Gibson?

Re: Any word on the Academy?

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:21 pm
by ljsulster
UlsterAreBrill wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:12 pm On the topic of scrum halves, is Soper’s son not a leaver this year? He has played underage representative rugby?

Not that that is a measure of quality but if he was a leaver surely he’s worth a punt
Nowhere near the level of Logan

Re: Any word on the Academy?

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:22 pm
by kingofthehill
DodgyEverything wrote:
kingofthehill wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 1:15 pm
Bobbievee wrote:
kingofthehill wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:44 pm Murphy and de Klerk are quality. I’m absolutely delighted with this.


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More than happy to follow your credibility on these issues. Is this confirmed?
Maybe also our new regime will move away from the " they will be better when they are older........." theory. If not good enough at 20/21/22 they are not going to be good enough. Look at the number of young out halves starting to populate the English Premier.
Murphy and Berman not confirmed yet. Fingers crossed it gets over the line.

Clark Logan also in.


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Josh Gibson?
In time like Ward.


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Re: Any word on the Academy?

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:32 pm
by Bayern
Ireland U18 School Team v Italy U18 (Wednesday 3 April 2024, U18 Six Nations Festival, Stadio Sergio Lanfranchi, Parma, Italy

15. Charlie Molony (Blackrock College/Leinster Rugby) Captain
14. Noah Byrne (Gonzaga College/Leinster Rugby)
13. Jack Deegan (CC Roscrea College/Leinster Rugby)
12. James O’Leary (PBC Cork/Munster Rugby)
11. Brian O’Flaherty (Blackrock College/Leinster Rugby)
10. Conor O’Shaughnessy (Blackrock College/Leinster Rugby)
9. James O’Dwyer (Gonzaga College/Leinster Rugby)

1. Max Doyle (Clongowes Wood College/Leinster Rugby)
2. Conor Magee (Banbridge Academy/Ulster Rugby)
3. Blake McClean (RBAI/Ulster Rugby)
4. Dylan McNeice (St. Michael’s College/Leinster Rugby)
5. Donnacha McGuire (Blackrock College/Leinster Rugby)
6. Diarmaid O’Connell (Carrick on Shannon RFC/Sligo Grammar/Connacht Rugby)
7. Bill Hayes (CC Roscrea College/Munster Rugby)
8. Charlie Meagher (CBC Monkstown/Leinster Rugby)

Replacements:
16. Luke McLaughlin (Gonzaga College/Leinster Rugby)
17. Jamie Conway (Castletroy College/Munster Rugby)
18. Cian Walsh (CBC Cork/Munster Rugby)
19. Rory Gavin (Colaiste Iognaid/Galwegians RFC/Connacht Rugby)
20. Michael Walsh (Blackrock College/Leinster Rugby)
21. Chris Barrett (CBC Cork/Munster Rugby)
22. Josh Gibson (RBAI/Ulster Rugby)
23. Tom Wood (St. Munchins College/Munster Rugby)
24. Joe Finn (Roscrea College/Munster Rugby)
25. Ethan Black (St. Michael’s College/Leinster Rugby)
26. Paddy Curry (Terenure College/Leinster Rugby)

Re: Any word on the Academy?

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:33 pm
by Bayern
Ireland U19 v France U19 (Wednesday 3 April 2024, QUB, Belfast, Kick Off at 14.30pm)

15. Todd Lawlor (Newbridge College/Leinster Rugby)
14. Andre Ryan (Belvedere College/Leinster Rugby)
13. Gene O’Leary Kareem (PBC Cork/Munster Rugby)
12. Evan Moynihan (St. Mary’s College/Leinster Rugby)
11. Ciaran Mangan (Newbridge College/Leinster Rugby)
10. Sam Wisniewski (Clontarf RFC/Leinster Rugby)
9. Will Wootton (Sale Sharks/IQ Rugby)
1. Billy Bohan (Newbridge College/Leinster Rugby)
2. Mikey Yarr (Lansdowne FC/Leinster Rugby) Captain
3. Niall Smyth (Blackrock College/Leinster Rugby)
4. Conor Kennelly (CBC Cork/Munster Rugby)
5. Michael Foy (CBC Cork/Munster Rugby)
6. Tommy Butler (Blackrock College/Leinster Rugby)
7. Oisin Minogue (St. Munchin’s College/Munster Rugby)
8. Eanna McCarthy (UCC/Munster Rugby)

Replacements:

16. Henry Walker (QUB RFC/Ulster Rugby)
17. Emmett Calvey (Shannon RFC/Munster Rugby)
18. Alex Mullan (Blackrock College RFC/Leinster Rugby)
19. Mahon Ronan (St. Mary’s Diocesan Drogheda/Boyne RFC/Leinster Rugby)
20. Aaron O’Brien (St. Mary’s College/Leinster Rugby)
21. Dylan Hicks (Garryowen RFC/Munster Rugby)
22. Clark Logan (Coleraine GS/Ulster Rugby)
23. Zack Hopkins (St. Mary’s College/Leinster Rugby)
24. Johnny Scott (Banbridge RFC/Ulster Rugby)
25. Jack Angulo (Blackrock College/Leinster Rugby)
26. David Walsh (St. Michael’s College/Leinster Rugby)

Re: Any word on the Academy?

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:58 pm
by ljsulster
UlsterAreBrill wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:11 pm
kingofthehill wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:44 pm Murphy and de Klerk are quality. I’m absolutely delighted with this.


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Regardless of how good they are, more Leinster cast offs is frustrating
I get what you’re saying but if they are better than what we have (which they are) then you take them no problem.
Weird that Leinster seem to be taking another centre who was behind both at Irish u20 level

Re: Any word on the Academy?

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:00 pm
by Bayern
ljsulster wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:58 pm
UlsterAreBrill wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:11 pm
kingofthehill wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:44 pm Murphy and de Klerk are quality. I’m absolutely delighted with this.


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Regardless of how good they are, more Leinster cast offs is frustrating
I get what you’re saying but if they are better than what we have (which they are) then you take them no problem.
Weird that Leinster seem to be taking another centre who was behind both at Irish u20 level
thats not confirmed, that player was told he might get an offer depending on how he performs at the JWC.

Re: Any word on the Academy?

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:15 pm
by kingofthehill
ljsulster wrote:
UlsterAreBrill wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:11 pm
kingofthehill wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:44 pm Murphy and de Klerk are quality. I’m absolutely delighted with this.


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Regardless of how good they are, more Leinster cast offs is frustrating
I get what you’re saying but if they are better than what we have (which they are) then you take them no problem.
Weird that Leinster seem to be taking another centre who was behind both at Irish u20 level
I couldn't care less if they're from Leinster. The schools system in Ulster is failing, especially at the senior schools level, compared to the South due to lack of investment.

Teaching and coaching positions are unattractive without proper compensation. In the South, teachers who also coach can earn over 100k, whereas in the North, they're lucky to make 45-50k. Another reason why the top coaches in the South don’t want to move onto professional gigs as they would be taking a pay cut and it’s not permanent.

Eliminating NIQs and allocating more funding to grassroots and schools is crucial. Ireland boasts many talented players who aren't given enough opportunities mainly because they choose to look good in a Leinster Tracksuit top in the stands rather than play. This has to stop.

Additionally, there's an overabundance of contracts given to mediocre professionals, reduce the amount of contracts and move the players about whether they like it or not.

The Irish system currently is broken, we failed to get past the quarter finals again against arguably the worst All black side in history but yet everyone still thinks the system is good.


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Re: Any word on the Academy?

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:52 pm
by Jetstream
Bayern wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:33 pm Ireland U19 v France U19 (Wednesday 3 April 2024, QUB, Belfast, Kick Off at 14.30pm)

15. Todd Lawlor (Newbridge College/Leinster Rugby)
14. Andre Ryan (Belvedere College/Leinster Rugby)
13. Gene O’Leary Kareem (PBC Cork/Munster Rugby)
12. Evan Moynihan (St. Mary’s College/Leinster Rugby)
11. Ciaran Mangan (Newbridge College/Leinster Rugby)
10. Sam Wisniewski (Clontarf RFC/Leinster Rugby)
9. Will Wootton (Sale Sharks/IQ Rugby)
1. Billy Bohan (Newbridge College/Leinster Rugby)
2. Mikey Yarr (Lansdowne FC/Leinster Rugby) Captain
3. Niall Smyth (Blackrock College/Leinster Rugby)
4. Conor Kennelly (CBC Cork/Munster Rugby)
5. Michael Foy (CBC Cork/Munster Rugby)
6. Tommy Butler (Blackrock College/Leinster Rugby)
7. Oisin Minogue (St. Munchin’s College/Munster Rugby)
8. Eanna McCarthy (UCC/Munster Rugby)

Replacements:

16. Henry Walker (QUB RFC/Ulster Rugby)
17. Emmett Calvey (Shannon RFC/Munster Rugby)
18. Alex Mullan (Blackrock College RFC/Leinster Rugby)
19. Mahon Ronan (St. Mary’s Diocesan Drogheda/Boyne RFC/Leinster Rugby)
20. Aaron O’Brien (St. Mary’s College/Leinster Rugby)
21. Dylan Hicks (Garryowen RFC/Munster Rugby)
22. Clark Logan (Coleraine GS/Ulster Rugby)
23. Zack Hopkins (St. Mary’s College/Leinster Rugby)
24. Johnny Scott (Banbridge RFC/Ulster Rugby)
25. Jack Angulo (Blackrock College/Leinster Rugby)
26. David Walsh (St. Michael’s College/Leinster Rugby)
Not a single Ulster player starting. That is a disgrace.

Re: Any word on the Academy?

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 6:33 pm
by ljsulster
Jetstream wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:52 pm
Bayern wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 3:33 pm Ireland U19 v France U19 (Wednesday 3 April 2024, QUB, Belfast, Kick Off at 14.30pm)

15. Todd Lawlor (Newbridge College/Leinster Rugby)
14. Andre Ryan (Belvedere College/Leinster Rugby)
13. Gene O’Leary Kareem (PBC Cork/Munster Rugby)
12. Evan Moynihan (St. Mary’s College/Leinster Rugby)
11. Ciaran Mangan (Newbridge College/Leinster Rugby)
10. Sam Wisniewski (Clontarf RFC/Leinster Rugby)
9. Will Wootton (Sale Sharks/IQ Rugby)
1. Billy Bohan (Newbridge College/Leinster Rugby)
2. Mikey Yarr (Lansdowne FC/Leinster Rugby) Captain
3. Niall Smyth (Blackrock College/Leinster Rugby)
4. Conor Kennelly (CBC Cork/Munster Rugby)
5. Michael Foy (CBC Cork/Munster Rugby)
6. Tommy Butler (Blackrock College/Leinster Rugby)
7. Oisin Minogue (St. Munchin’s College/Munster Rugby)
8. Eanna McCarthy (UCC/Munster Rugby)

Replacements:

16. Henry Walker (QUB RFC/Ulster Rugby)
17. Emmett Calvey (Shannon RFC/Munster Rugby)
18. Alex Mullan (Blackrock College RFC/Leinster Rugby)
19. Mahon Ronan (St. Mary’s Diocesan Drogheda/Boyne RFC/Leinster Rugby)
20. Aaron O’Brien (St. Mary’s College/Leinster Rugby)
21. Dylan Hicks (Garryowen RFC/Munster Rugby)
22. Clark Logan (Coleraine GS/Ulster Rugby)
23. Zack Hopkins (St. Mary’s College/Leinster Rugby)
24. Johnny Scott (Banbridge RFC/Ulster Rugby)
25. Jack Angulo (Blackrock College/Leinster Rugby)
26. David Walsh (St. Michael’s College/Leinster Rugby)
Not a single Ulster player starting. That is a disgrace.
Seem to be mixing up the team a bit. Look at the quality of the bench- Hicks is academy contracted and isn’t starting

Re: Any word on the Academy?

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:32 pm
by solidarity
kingofthehill wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:15 pm
ljsulster wrote:
UlsterAreBrill wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:11 pm
kingofthehill wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:44 pm Murphy and de Klerk are quality. I’m absolutely delighted with this.


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Regardless of how good they are, more Leinster cast offs is frustrating
I get what you’re saying but if they are better than what we have (which they are) then you take them no problem.

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A broken system, indeed.

It's also a blow to the pride that we can't produce a half decent flow of quality players

Re: Any word on the Academy?

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 7:40 pm
by kingofthehill
solidarity wrote:
kingofthehill wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 4:15 pm
ljsulster wrote:
UlsterAreBrill wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 2:11 pm
kingofthehill wrote: Tue Apr 02, 2024 12:44 pm Murphy and de Klerk are quality. I’m absolutely delighted with this.


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Regardless of how good they are, more Leinster cast offs is frustrating
I get what you’re saying but if they are better than what we have (which they are) then you take them no problem.

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A broken system, indeed.

It's also a blow to the pride that we can't produce a half decent flow of quality players
With increased investment, we could potentially address these issues, but unfortunately, that seems unlikely. The decline in interest in teaching exacerbates the problem further, and the situation is only expected to deteriorate without significant intervention.


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Re: Any word on the Academy?

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 8:15 pm
by Big-al
What’s the batch of players like who just beat Munster 60-5?

Re: Any word on the Academy?

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 8:16 pm
by kingofthehill
Big-al wrote:What’s the batch of players like who just beat Munster 60-5?
Munster didn’t have any of their tops players involved.


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