Re: Brexit - now we see what it means.
Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:25 pm
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The EU won't move on the backstop, unless it's to revert to the NI only version that May was ready to sign up to way back when. This nonsense that Tusk and co will blink at the last minute is being kept going by the swivelled eyed loons of the Tory Party and by the right wing press in GB. The EU won't blink because it can't blink. It needs to guard its single market and it needs to show that it will stand by its smaller members. Here's the other important reason it won't blink: no deal will be bad for the EU, but it won't be as catastrophically bad as it will be for the UK. The pain the EU will suffer will be a collective pain, shared amongst a group of nations. The UK's will be all its own. Boris may be playing hard ball, but he's holding a set of tom kite cards. One more thing: even if Boris crashes out on a no deal, sooner or later he's going to have to come back to the table to ask for his Canada plus plus plus deal. The EU will make sure that the first item on the agenda of that particular meeting will be the special arrangements needed for NI under any free trade deal. Cue the rebirth of Irish Backstop.Hapax Legomenon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:57 pm The EU don't move until the 11th hour or later. They play hard ball and in fairness so will Bo Jo, he's putting it up to them. Nobody wants the uncertainty of a no deal, but May allowed the EU to take her to the cleaners.
Boris is still a total dick, but he could just serve a purpose.
How do you know?promenader 2 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:22 amThe EU won't move on the backstop, unless it's to revert to the NI only version that May was ready to sign up to way back when. This nonsense that Tusk and co will blink at the last minute is being kept going by the swivelled eyed loons of the Tory Party and by the right wing press in GB. The EU won't blink because it can't blink. It needs to guard its single market and it needs to show that it will stand by its smaller members. Here's the other important reason it won't blink: no deal will be bad for the EU, but it won't be as catastrophically bad as it will be for the UK. The pain the EU will suffer will be a collective pain, shared amongst a group of nations. The UK's will be all its own. Boris may be playing hard ball, but he's holding a set of tom kite cards. One more thing: even if Boris crashes out on a no deal, sooner or later he's going to have to come back to the table to ask for his Canada plus plus plus deal. The EU will make sure that the first item on the agenda of that particular meeting will be the special arrangements needed for NI under any free trade deal. Cue the rebirth of Irish Backstop.Hapax Legomenon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:57 pm The EU don't move until the 11th hour or later. They play hard ball and in fairness so will Bo Jo, he's putting it up to them. Nobody wants the uncertainty of a no deal, but May allowed the EU to take her to the cleaners.
Boris is still a total dick, but he could just serve a purpose.
'You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows'Hapax Legomenon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:12 pmHow do you know?promenader 2 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:22 amThe EU won't move on the backstop, unless it's to revert to the NI only version that May was ready to sign up to way back when. This nonsense that Tusk and co will blink at the last minute is being kept going by the swivelled eyed loons of the Tory Party and by the right wing press in GB. The EU won't blink because it can't blink. It needs to guard its single market and it needs to show that it will stand by its smaller members. Here's the other important reason it won't blink: no deal will be bad for the EU, but it won't be as catastrophically bad as it will be for the UK. The pain the EU will suffer will be a collective pain, shared amongst a group of nations. The UK's will be all its own. Boris may be playing hard ball, but he's holding a set of tom kite cards. One more thing: even if Boris crashes out on a no deal, sooner or later he's going to have to come back to the table to ask for his Canada plus plus plus deal. The EU will make sure that the first item on the agenda of that particular meeting will be the special arrangements needed for NI under any free trade deal. Cue the rebirth of Irish Backstop.Hapax Legomenon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:57 pm The EU don't move until the 11th hour or later. They play hard ball and in fairness so will Bo Jo, he's putting it up to them. Nobody wants the uncertainty of a no deal, but May allowed the EU to take her to the cleaners.
Boris is still a total dick, but he could just serve a purpose.
Right, so you don't know then.promenader 2 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:33 pm'You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows'Hapax Legomenon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:12 pmHow do you know?promenader 2 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:22 amThe EU won't move on the backstop, unless it's to revert to the NI only version that May was ready to sign up to way back when. This nonsense that Tusk and co will blink at the last minute is being kept going by the swivelled eyed loons of the Tory Party and by the right wing press in GB. The EU won't blink because it can't blink. It needs to guard its single market and it needs to show that it will stand by its smaller members. Here's the other important reason it won't blink: no deal will be bad for the EU, but it won't be as catastrophically bad as it will be for the UK. The pain the EU will suffer will be a collective pain, shared amongst a group of nations. The UK's will be all its own. Boris may be playing hard ball, but he's holding a set of tom kite cards. One more thing: even if Boris crashes out on a no deal, sooner or later he's going to have to come back to the table to ask for his Canada plus plus plus deal. The EU will make sure that the first item on the agenda of that particular meeting will be the special arrangements needed for NI under any free trade deal. Cue the rebirth of Irish Backstop.Hapax Legomenon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:57 pm The EU don't move until the 11th hour or later. They play hard ball and in fairness so will Bo Jo, he's putting it up to them. Nobody wants the uncertainty of a no deal, but May allowed the EU to take her to the cleaners.
Boris is still a total dick, but he could just serve a purpose.
I'll let you in on a secret, my friend: noone, not a single person, knows for sure. It's all just conjecture and opinion. I gave you my opinion, but feel free to disregard it.Hapax Legomenon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:41 pmRight, so you don't know then.promenader 2 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:33 pm'You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows'Hapax Legomenon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:12 pmHow do you know?promenader 2 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:22 amThe EU won't move on the backstop, unless it's to revert to the NI only version that May was ready to sign up to way back when. This nonsense that Tusk and co will blink at the last minute is being kept going by the swivelled eyed loons of the Tory Party and by the right wing press in GB. The EU won't blink because it can't blink. It needs to guard its single market and it needs to show that it will stand by its smaller members. Here's the other important reason it won't blink: no deal will be bad for the EU, but it won't be as catastrophically bad as it will be for the UK. The pain the EU will suffer will be a collective pain, shared amongst a group of nations. The UK's will be all its own. Boris may be playing hard ball, but he's holding a set of tom kite cards. One more thing: even if Boris crashes out on a no deal, sooner or later he's going to have to come back to the table to ask for his Canada plus plus plus deal. The EU will make sure that the first item on the agenda of that particular meeting will be the special arrangements needed for NI under any free trade deal. Cue the rebirth of Irish Backstop.Hapax Legomenon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:57 pm The EU don't move until the 11th hour or later. They play hard ball and in fairness so will Bo Jo, he's putting it up to them. Nobody wants the uncertainty of a no deal, but May allowed the EU to take her to the cleaners.
Boris is still a total dick, but he could just serve a purpose.
You just believe what others are saying.
Have a read at my earlier post and you'll see that is exactly what I'm saying. There is no precedent so nobody knows.promenader 2 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:54 pmI'll let you in on a secret, my friend: noone, not a single person, knows for sure. It's all just conjecture and opinion. I gave you my opinion, but feel free to disregard it.Hapax Legomenon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:41 pmRight, so you don't know then.promenader 2 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:33 pm'You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows'Hapax Legomenon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:12 pmHow do you know?promenader 2 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:22 am
The EU won't move on the backstop, unless it's to revert to the NI only version that May was ready to sign up to way back when. This nonsense that Tusk and co will blink at the last minute is being kept going by the swivelled eyed loons of the Tory Party and by the right wing press in GB. The EU won't blink because it can't blink. It needs to guard its single market and it needs to show that it will stand by its smaller members. Here's the other important reason it won't blink: no deal will be bad for the EU, but it won't be as catastrophically bad as it will be for the UK. The pain the EU will suffer will be a collective pain, shared amongst a group of nations. The UK's will be all its own. Boris may be playing hard ball, but he's holding a set of tom kite cards. One more thing: even if Boris crashes out on a no deal, sooner or later he's going to have to come back to the table to ask for his Canada plus plus plus deal. The EU will make sure that the first item on the agenda of that particular meeting will be the special arrangements needed for NI under any free trade deal. Cue the rebirth of Irish Backstop.
You just believe what others are saying.
Sorry you are competely incorrect on the first point, productivity applies to the whole economy both public and private and is so essential to wage growth. I'll give you a few simple examples, in my previous work which wasn't a production company they were keen on measuring the relationship between number of employees and turnover/gross margin, in that year on year could we increase the turnover per employee as they reap economies of scale as they become more productive per person. That by definition is them increasing their productivity.Jackie Brown wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:12 pm Productivity usually implies to industries where you are creating something. We don't really do that in the UK anymore. I'm a teacher, how can my productivity as a member of the public sector increase?
There's plenty of things we've signed up as part of the EU, they are outside our borders so are international agreements. Here's them broken down a bit,
£16.4bn (€18.5bn) towards the UK’s contribution to the EU budget to December 2020 (after offsetting for the UK rebate);
£18.2bn (€20.2bn) towards outstanding commitments for projects that have been signed off but not yet paid for by 2020 (The Reste à Liquider ("RAL") from successive Multiannual Financial Frameworks) to be paid up to 2028; and
£2.5bn (€2.7bn) for other financial liabilities, being an estimate for pension liabilities of €9.5bn offset by other assets totalling €6.8bn. The payments towards the pension liabilities are estimated to be made until 2064.
You don't just walk away from your financial commitments, whether you're a person or a country.
You can read through the post I've just put on, Brexit to me is about reducing an incredibly undemocratic and costly tier of government and allowing decision makers to be closer to those they supposedly represent. I'm happy to let it play out and realistically we won't be able to judge the long term effects I would guess until 5 years from now. I just wish Stormont the politicians at Stormont were held to account so we could have some form of proper democracy there too.Jackie Brown wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:34 pm So Brexit will make people work harder? I think that's what Lurganlad is getting at. He's bought the Brexit lunacy hook line and sinker, could probably do with doing a bit of reading from unbiased sources.
30days to sort the border, easy peasy.
I predict a Boris plan of a snap election, Irish Sea border plan and hope for a majority.