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Bart S wrote:Cardiff coach unhappy with the ref.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/46416057

Personally i thought the yellow was fair as it looked like a reckless and pointless shoulder charge. Agree the penalty near the end was maybe unlucky as looked like Rory Best was no longer on his feet and the knock on call against Cardiff was wrong.

Standard of reffing in the league not generally good though.

What about the first Cardiff try? Haven't seen it on TV. Did he lose control of the ball?

Bart S wrote:Cardiff coach unhappy with the ref.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/46416057

Personally i thought the yellow was fair as it looked like a reckless and pointless shoulder charge. Agree the penalty near the end was maybe unlucky as looked like Rory Best was no longer on his feet and the knock on call against Cardiff was wrong.

Standard of reffing in the league not generally good though.

On the other hand when we had a rolling maul flying towards the line I could be wrong but I think it was their number 5 who went so clearly in at the side in front of the ref to kill the maul it was unreal. That should have been a yellow card so I would argue in this match things appeared to balance each other out. Also thought they lay on our side of rucks too frequently.

Totally off topic but after scrum and lineout issues I think our biggest issue is handling the rush defence against our backs. Because we have an out half who just ships the ball out it reduces the number of threats allowing others to be gang tackled. Until he is a threat and we have an scrum half who is a threat with ball in hand, thinking about Shanahan here, the backs are going to struggle in games at this level. A few have called for Lowry at OH and would love to see that, the timing of runs for the centres I imagine would be totally different with him in there.

big mervyn wrote:

Bart S wrote:Cardiff coach unhappy with the ref.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/46416057

Personally i thought the yellow was fair as it looked like a reckless and pointless shoulder charge. Agree the penalty near the end was maybe unlucky as looked like Rory Best was no longer on his feet and the knock on call against Cardiff was wrong.

Standard of reffing in the league not generally good though.

What about the first Cardiff try? Haven't seen it on TV. Did he lose control of the ball?

It was worth a check with the TMO but it was a try in my book.

To be fair to the ref it was the touch judge who picked up on the Cardiff foul play and asked the referee to look at it. After the touch judge, referee and TMO looked at it a three way agreement was made on yellow.
To me it was a technical yellow all day, if Cardiff coach has anger to vent it should be at the yellow carded coward he should be directing it at. Ulster had ball won, his stupid shoulder to Kanes exposed back was not going to have any affect on play....

UlsterNo9 wrote:

big mervyn wrote:

Bart S wrote:Cardiff coach unhappy with the ref.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/46416057

Personally i thought the yellow was fair as it looked like a reckless and pointless shoulder charge. Agree the penalty near the end was maybe unlucky as looked like Rory Best was no longer on his feet and the knock on call against Cardiff was wrong.

Standard of reffing in the league not generally good though.

What about the first Cardiff try? Haven't seen it on TV. Did he lose control of the ball?

It was worth a check with the TMO but it was a try in my book.

To be fair to the ref it was the touch judge who picked up on the Cardiff foul play and asked the referee to look at it. After the touch judge, referee and TMO looked at it a three way agreement was made on yellow.
To me it was a technical yellow all day, if Cardiff coach has anger to vent it should be at the yellow carded coward he should be directing it at. Ulster had ball won, his stupid shoulder to Kanes exposed back was not going to have any affect on play....

I agree about the yellow. The coach should be well hacked off about that as should his team mates. A key time in such a close game and he got carded for something which was utterly pointless and just a cheap shot.

big mervyn wrote:

Bart S wrote:Cardiff coach unhappy with the ref.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/46416057

Personally i thought the yellow was fair as it looked like a reckless and pointless shoulder charge. Agree the penalty near the end was maybe unlucky as looked like Rory Best was no longer on his feet and the knock on call against Cardiff was wrong.

Standard of reffing in the league not generally good though.

What about the first Cardiff try? Haven't seen it on TV. Did he lose control of the ball?

I thought young Lowry got a hand underneath and the ball then squirted away. I saw Lowry talking in the Ulster huddle and O'Connor then tried to interest the ref but he had no interest.

As for Mulvihill, FFFS Bart, if you buy that you will buy anything, it is just dishonest bullshit, not that he may have highlighted errors but LOOK ........... all officials will make errors during every game the officiate, it follows that all coaches start from an understanding that unless we ruin the game by reviewing issues constantly and stretching a game out to maybe 2 hours or more, not including halftime, errors will happen.

His dishonesty is not accepting that his side gained any advantages from decisions but chooses to highlight the ones he feels were unfair to his side. Natural perhaps but nevertheless, utterly dishonest. Cockers, who I've always quite liked, has been doing the same this season, if either of them had highlighted a single decision that went in their teams favour to illustrate poor reffing I might listen to them more sympathetically, as it is they are attacking the man with the hardest job on the pitch to cover their own performance, they are therefore dishonest men who I believe the Pro14 should advise to wind their necks in by several inches.

So there Bart is your simple explanation, don't buy such bullshit, it's just a dishonest coach whinging like a good wee Welshman, so he's a quick learner, maybe listening to too many Max Boyce songs.

His nonsense about McCloskey headbutting their 9 is an utter and blatant lie, risible nonsense from the newest clown in the league. You need to get your bullshite detector serviced Bart.


Does anyone really think the Pro14 refs are any different to those elsewhere, every league has the good and not so good? I actually said to my pals before the game I was happy to have Mr Berry, I think he's decent.

The biggest disappointment for me was our failure to be able to adapt and overcome the Cardiff rush defence, we really had no answer to it.... nor did it appear did we attempt to look for one. A few of my own observations.

Dumb as dirt we persisted all day with one up forward runners of the scrum half, not once did we try two passes or any attempt of variation when forwards were hitting up. It was predictable and easily defended. Appreciate it wasn't a great day for handling and we were obviously playing an extremely low risk game but ffs if you cannot trust your forwards (or they are not capable) to string a pass together over 1-2 yards to change the angle of attack we may give up now.

The referee did seem to allow Cardiff tackler to remain on the ground for a long period of time on our side well after ruck had formed. If he wasn't going to penalise for this why didn't we sort it out ourselves? It allowed Cardiff plenty of time to get their defensive line set denying us any form of quick ball.

As someone else said earlier Hume looks a good one, I would agree with that though early days. He did however have a couple of opportunities to use quick hands but failed to and denied us two would be breaks for a player coming through the fullback channel (Cave would have executed), he held on a split second too long and got smothered. Hopefully it is just a case of getting up to speed with senior rugby, I'd be concerned he either didn't read the situations or doesn't have the handling skills to execute.

Billy boys attempted chip kick over the top was our only attempt at keeping their defence honest with limited success, did we try two up then pass out the back door once with the backs sitting deeper to create space to have a run at them?

There was a period we were in their 22 and we took four or five pick and goes of the base of the ruck, we made 1-2 metres each time with great success, the Cardiff guys had spread out and weren't committing the numbers in tight. I was delighted it looked like we had finally worked their defence out..... then for some bizarre reason we stopped doing it and did not attempt again..... dumb as dirt!

BaggyTrousers wrote:

big mervyn wrote:

Bart S wrote:Cardiff coach unhappy with the ref.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/46416057

Personally i thought the yellow was fair as it looked like a reckless and pointless shoulder charge. Agree the penalty near the end was maybe unlucky as looked like Rory Best was no longer on his feet and the knock on call against Cardiff was wrong.

Standard of reffing in the league not generally good though.

What about the first Cardiff try? Haven't seen it on TV. Did he lose control of the ball?

I thought young Lowry got a hand underneath and the ball then squirted away. I saw Lowry talking in the Ulster huddle and O'Connor then tried to interest the ref but he had no interest.

As for Mulvihill, FFFS Bart, if you buy that you will buy anything, it is just dishonest bullshit, not that he may have highlighted errors but LOOK ........... all officials will make errors during every game the officiate, it follows that all coaches start from an understanding that unless we ruin the game by reviewing issues constantly and stretching a game out to maybe 2 hours or more, not including halftime, errors will happen.

His dishonesty is not accepting that his side gained any advantages from decisions but chooses to highlight the ones he feels were unfair to his side. Natural perhaps but nevertheless, utterly dishonest. Cockers, who I've always quite liked, has been doing the same this season, if either of them had highlighted a single decision that went in their teams favour to illustrate poor reffing I might listen to them more sympathetically, as it is they are attacking the man with the hardest job on the pitch to cover their own performance, they are therefore dishonest men who I believe the Pro14 should advise to wind their necks in by several inches.

So there Bart is your simple explanation, don't buy such bullshit, it's just a dishonest coach whinging like a good wee Welshman, so he's a quick learner, maybe listening to too many Max Boyce songs.

His nonsense about McCloskey headbutting their 9 is an utter and blatant lie, risible nonsense from the newest clown in the league. You need to get your bullshite detector serviced Bart.


Does anyone really think the Pro14 refs are any different to those elsewhere, every league has the good and not so good? I actually said to my pals before the game I was happy to have Mr Berry, I think he's decent.

I I should have said that I was not agreeing with the Cardiff coach overall, although there were a couple of key ones where they were maybe unlucky. As no.9 said elsewhere his main rant should be directed at the guy who got carded.

And yes the McCkoskey headbutt was non existent. Was viewed by the TMO and no Cardiff player seemed to think it was one either on the field of play.

Fairy Nuf Bart, I should have added that he has some neck on him when he sends his loosehead out to cheat and attempt to get penalties and cards. Three times I saw him, early on holding back Marty Moore whilst Marty was trying to rejoin play and he was lying prone. It was the situation where I remonstrated with all within earshot that he deserved a boot in the head, sadly that could have led to a yellow but more likely red.

Once more he held someone back a little later in the first half and he was then pinged for one no arms attack at a maul and a further pen for a high tackle.

So no Mulvihill, you can kiss the back of my balls and go back from whence you came if you are going to attempt this whinging nonsense all season.

Krugman lad and No 9 are both spot on. Ulster have no options to the rush defence, and havnt had since Pj. Can anyone remember greeting the ball along the line even once? SA sides seemed to me to be the first to exploit this weakness, and their speedy backs were up amongst our backline causing mayhem since our first meetings with them. It is evident that every team knows how clueless we are at solving this.
Shipping the ball on a la Burns only makes it worse, and trying the chip occasionally might a good alternative.........but only if it works the odd time, and at least puts a doubt in the defending backs minds.
Billy has had his opportunity, and been found wanting.
So Lowry or McPhillips sooner rather than later.

lurgan lad and No 9 are both spot on. Ulster have no options to the rush defence, and havnt had since Pj. Can anyone remember greeting the ball along the line even once? SA sides seemed to me to be the first to exploit this weakness, and their speedy backs were up amongst our backline causing mayhem since our first meetings with them. It is evident that every team knows how clueless we are at solving this.
Shipping the ball on a la Burns only makes it worse, and trying the chip occasionally might a good alternative.........but only if it works the odd time, and at least puts a doubt in the defending backs minds.
Billy has had his opportunity, and been found wanting.
So Lowry or McPhillips sooner rather than later.

I remember the days of Pienaar at 9 and Paddy Jackson at 10. The ball travelled first class on a supersonic jet. Backline porn.

Dave wrote:I remember the days of Pienaar at 9 and Paddy Jackson at 10. The ball travelled first class on a supersonic jet. Backline porn.

All the more to detest the FIRFU-BOI sectarianism.

TopPoster wrote:

Dave wrote:I remember the days of Pienaar at 9 and Paddy Jackson at 10. The ball travelled first class on a supersonic jet. Backline porn.

All the more to detest the FIRFU-BOI sectarianism.

Don't forget vodafuckinphone.

BaggyTrousers wrote:

TopPoster wrote:

Dave wrote:I remember the days of Pienaar at 9 and Paddy Jackson at 10. The ball travelled first class on a supersonic jet. Backline porn.

All the more to detest the FIRFU-BOI sectarianism.

Don't forget vodafuckinphone.

Nodaphonesignal are so shyte I don’t even acknowledge their existence.

There were a couple of calls went against Cardiff but boys a dear they were off side/in the side and off their feet all night. We tried a few wee kicks over early on then stopped. And several rolling mauls they just surfed round the side and took it down.

Could anyone look at tries for and against us to see how many are referred to the TMO. In my biased head it seems like every frickin try we score is referred and the opposition's just get waved on.

It epitomizes UR when it takes a centre and a winger to kick start a ruckus. Hopefully Nagle looks like he might get wired in.

And I thought it was one of Cooney's worst games for us. His box kicking was way off all night, either too short or too long. He had one opportunity off turnover ball to hoof it long into acres of space and he went for a box kick. I laughed when he was made MOTM. Picked by a back obv.

On the plus side the band must've all had sore throats and stayed largely quiet.

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