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Kofi Annan wrote:
Roll away 5 wrote:Baggy. ATH has changed his name again! :stir:
Looks it, using same lingo, Columbo, suck a lollypop, who loves ya baby
WTF is it about this place and being accused of being someone else!! FFS I'm Columbo, a middle-aged homicide detective from the LAPD, and I am not a previous poster!

Interesting however that it seems like this poster has driven certain people away in the past - doesn't surprise me..
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bazzaj wrote:Man up Columbo!
We`ve all had our spats on here but when it comes to it its just internet pantomime.
Bagster hasnt replied yet so maybe he has been banned again?!
Way too quiet.
It's not a question about manning up, though. I think there are two issues here.

Firstly, having a poster or posters who literally just troll and insult their way around a messageboard necessarily has an impact on the nature of the messageboard. It affects the tenor of debate on the board for starters - my guess is that the board owners here want this to be a family-friendly zone, I'm not sure this is compatible when some posters are suggesting to others that they kill themselves, and circumventing the cussword filters etc. It will also drive some people away (which I understand has been the case here..) and prevents lurkers from joining - IMO messageboards are at their best when a maximum of posters get involved, and at their worst when they are captured by an obnoxious clique.

Secondly, and probably more importantly for the owners of the board - there are potential legal implications. I personally am not going to run and cry to a solicitor, but I had to help a friend out with a certain situation regarding the moderation of a messageboard, and have a reasonable passing knowledge of some of the issues at play. I'm sure the moderators here are up to speed, but some types of messageboard postings are potentially unlawful - defamation is probably the biggest risk on messageboards, but posts can also qualify as harrassment (Protection from Harrassment Act 1997) or malicious communications (Malicious Communications Act 1988 / Communications Act 2003).

The risk that messageboard owners/moderators run depends on how the site operates - this site would be classed as an unmoderated site, but that mechanisms exist to report offensive material and these reports are acted on promptly - which is all good. If I were a moderator here (or anywhere..) I would take this very seriously - I'm obviously not going to do anything, but such is life, if offensive posters are given free reign, it's just a matter of time. Generally speaking I think it's advisable to have clear policies - e.g. 'man not ball', an escalating ladder of sanctions for breaches, and permanent bans for repeat offenders (e.g. three strikes and you're out), and these should be consistently enforced.

I think a reasonable person can readily tell the difference between a, let's say, robust exchange - even including fruity language etc - and posts which are just gratuitously offensive - that only exist to insult or threaten. It's just the latter that are the problem.

The underlying problem is that while the vast majority of people realise that online life is just an extension of 'real' life, and social mores (and laws!) still apply, some others don't, and give themselves licence to act out in a way that they wouldn't do in the real world - the latter group shouldn't be in a position to spoil everyone else's experience, and certainly not potentially give rise to legal risks for the board owners/moderators.

Anyway I've reported the posts in question, (and will delete my own unseemly one!) that's the end of the matter, and I sincerely hope that BaggyTrousers can catch himself on, and lay off the obnoxious posts in future
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The forum is anonymous unless you actually tell someone you are on here. I know some posters know each other in real life. If someone writes something defamatory on here it's not about you unless they actually know you, any reference would be about your online persona. I'm no legal eagle but I usually ignore any abuse or any attempt to drag you into a slegging match.
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Is Bagster away?
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Ladies, and gentlemen, we as mods have been following this thread very closely, and have come to the opinion, that some though not all the blame lies with the light-touch moderation that has prevailed for some time. Needless to say, we will be paying more close attention to all posts now in an attempt to prevent threads descending into disarray, and pandemonium. We advise anyone who posts that they should, "play the ball, and not the man", as mentioned above, although it has been said before. From now on, any posts we believe do not meet the standards will be deleted without explanation. There will be no appeal etc., and the mods may even warn, ban or find other means to administer the rules.

To answer the above comments from Columbus, this board is moderated, it always has been, but people do not like to be overly ruled, and generally you will find that we self-police. We do indeed have all the policies you mentioned, as you will have noticed when you joined, or in the rules thread at the top of each forum. However it's the interpretation of them, that I think we excel at, and why our board is popular.For your safety, we even have several solicitors, some who specialise in social and new media law who advise us, and keep an eye on any potential threats or legal issues that may crop up. I do not dispute that people have left, or stopped posting, but the membership continues to grow, and there is always a natural fall-off rate, regardless of the reason. It is easy to say that people have stopped posting because of one 'bully' left un-reprimanded, but that is unrepresentative of the whole, and an argument set out to apportion blame while making a point.

BaggyTrousers is not a troll, but a passionate Ulster rugby supporter who has valid opinions, as do others. Baggy does not deliberately set out to bully, insult, but often responds more vehemently than others in the defence of these opinions. Often as not, he is right :duck: , and he brings a lot to this board. You only have to read his posts to see his opinion is often correct, or more valid than others in the viewpoint that he makes. (IMHO)

Some posters do not like the way he strenuously argues his case, and yes, he goes against the rules. However, when he does he has more often than not been warned or even been banned. However, the moderators, and others have realised, that there is no real intent behind his tone of voice or his threats. Some posters who get offended are easily offended, and I expect would be easily offended by many things. Others set out to provoke him, and Baggy unfortunately rises to the bait. I am sure he will in time mellow (or maybe not >flog ), but it takes all sorts to make a community, and all are welcome for the most part.

The moderators here have dealt with many a real troll in the past and are more than capable of keeping this board in order. We have added new judges, or mods over the years, and some have left. We may have become a little complacent as we feel that the people on this board and Ulster fans in general are among the best of fans of any team anywhere, but IMO with a difference, a very cutting wit, and SOH. The vast majority are friendly, and deserve a place they can go to express their opinion. Here at the UAFC we take all sorts, and we give as good as we take, but as such, anyone new to a community like ours must also be aware that they may receive some banter that may seem unfriendly in the first instance, but is rarely such.

I hope you understand where I am coming from, and rest assured we are still in charge. As always, yours in rugby,


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Is this on TV
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only BT Sport!
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I think this has the makings of UAFC the musical.
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I signed up for an on-line course on how to handle difficult situations. One of the modules was on dealing with difficult people. I thought this should be good. I'll finally be able to put those chubes on the messageboard in their place. However after £25 and three weeks later the best they could come up with was Feck Off! :cheers:
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Fair play to you, Fermain. Well made points. I have to say I think it's a bit rich for the aging detective to come on a forum as a newbie and almost immediately start to lay down the law.

As for Baggy - generally a pain - but as you say a knowledgeable pain and, for all his sometimes inappropriate language and postings, this forum would be a poorer place without him. I do hope he doesn't see this. I'd hate him to think I agreed with him on anything.
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I think all this all this came about when men started developing inner feelings during the mid to late 90s.

I could never get upset about being abused on a message board but I then again have no real understanding or interest in social media as I only really care about the opinions of people I actually know in reality.
It just so happens that the people I know happen to provide me with more daily insults than this entire board combined could ever dream of doing in a lifetime.

What used to be character building is now bullying.
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Good post Fermain :salut: Have to say I agree with Scranner about new posters arriving and getting uppity about forum etiquette but that's just my opinion.

My tuppence worth?? Some of you just need to man up ffs, I'm a woman and you don't see me getting all sensitive about some of the stuff that Kofi & Welder tries to aim at me on occasion :stir: :stir:


I'm obviously being facetious (for those of you with a sensitive disposition of course) but as Bazz says, just because you are offended doesn't make you right >seeya
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I will reserve my last ever post to a tribute to Baggy, quite easily the most amusing & also one of the most intelligent posters on here. Lately I have only ever browsed to get a laugh at Baggy's "chastisement" of some of the utter idiots on here. Like me, he has great difficulty in putting up with complete fools, I chose not to post, & now I can absolutely assure you Baggy will also make the same choice.

Well done Colombo, you dumb f*ckwit :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Was that your last post Brian C?
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Wee Woman wrote:Good post Fermain :salut: Have to say I agree with Scranner about new posters arriving and getting uppity about forum etiquette but that's just my opinion.

My tuppence worth?? Some of you just need to man up ffs, I'm a woman and you don't see me getting all sensitive about some of the stuff that Kofi & Welder tries to aim at me on occasion :stir: :stir:


I'm obviously being facetious (for those of you with a sensitive disposition of course) but as Bazz says, just because you are offended doesn't make you right >seeya
its those self righteous maggots that plague Facebook coming on here being offended and no dangly bits, i just love WW dangly bits :duck: , Columbo man the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck up take a dose of cement syrup .
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