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Re: FOLK

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:49 pm
by therealspratt
breakdown wrote:
therealspratt wrote:
Gerald the Mole wrote:Players and LES have to be congratulated for that result. Anyone who thinks the players just went out and done their on thing are idiots and should go join Rum in the silly corner.

Consistency to perform is the issue.
And emm, who would be responsible for that?

Les can bugger off.
I didn't realise Les took the pitch each week

Can only blame lack of consistency on the players
What should all of the players in the squad do about it then? Stay late after training?

I don't buy that line at all, and even if it is something in the players the buck stops with Kiss for performances on the pitch, it's his job to sort it out, and he hasn't been. Consistency is such a weird thing to be trotting out as what's wrong with the team when we've been quite consistently rubbish, good performances being the rare exception.

Re: FOLK

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:08 pm
by breakdown
therealspratt wrote:
breakdown wrote:
therealspratt wrote:
Gerald the Mole wrote:Players and LES have to be congratulated for that result. Anyone who thinks the players just went out and done their on thing are idiots and should go join Rum in the silly corner.

Consistency to perform is the issue.
And emm, who would be responsible for that?

Les can bugger off.
I didn't realise Les took the pitch each week

Can only blame lack of consistency on the players
What should all of the players in the squad do about it then? Stay late after training?

I don't buy that line at all, and even if it is something in the players the buck stops with Kiss for performances on the pitch, it's his job to sort it out, and he hasn't been. Consistency is such a weird thing to be trotting out as what's wrong with the team when we've been quite consistently rubbish, good performances being the rare exception.
Of course it's the players fault, as a coach myself people coming out with that line really doesnt sit well. Tactics can be wrong, motivation may be poor etc etc which is fine but to blame a coach on not "performing consistently" really is a non argument to me

For example it's take the analogy you are a manager in a firm. those under you will fundamentally be told how to carry out their core job, which doesn't change much on a weekly basis. It isn't then up to me, as the manager, to take the brunt of the failings of the staff around me for not carrying out the instructions I have given them when i can't impact how they work 9-5, given I have my own role to do on a daily basis

The same can be applied here. Our tactics don't change week on week much, yes i'm sure the players are given slight, individual tactical changes etc from the waterboys but the fundamentals of the game plan, however poorly executed, haven't changed much. It's not like we've switched from 10 man rugby, to silky back moves, and back again on a weekly basis. It's up to the players to put the plan in place on the pitch, no one else, not Gibbes, Kiss, Dundon, Peel, anyone

Re: FOLK

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:54 pm
by therealspratt
breakdown wrote:
therealspratt wrote:
breakdown wrote:
therealspratt wrote:
Gerald the Mole wrote:Players and LES have to be congratulated for that result. Anyone who thinks the players just went out and done their on thing are idiots and should go join Rum in the silly corner.

Consistency to perform is the issue.
And emm, who would be responsible for that?

Les can bugger off.
I didn't realise Les took the pitch each week

Can only blame lack of consistency on the players
What should all of the players in the squad do about it then? Stay late after training?

I don't buy that line at all, and even if it is something in the players the buck stops with Kiss for performances on the pitch, it's his job to sort it out, and he hasn't been. Consistency is such a weird thing to be trotting out as what's wrong with the team when we've been quite consistently rubbish, good performances being the rare exception.
Of course it's the players fault, as a coach myself people coming out with that line really doesnt sit well. Tactics can be wrong, motivation may be poor etc etc which is fine but to blame a coach on not "performing consistently" really is a non argument to me

For example it's take the analogy you are a manager in a firm. those under you will fundamentally be told how to carry out their core job, which doesn't change much on a weekly basis. It isn't then up to me, as the manager, to take the brunt of the failings of the staff around me for not carrying out the instructions I have given them when i can't impact how they work 9-5, given I have my own role to do on a daily basis

The same can be applied here. Our tactics don't change week on week much, yes i'm sure the players are given slight, individual tactical changes etc from the waterboys but the fundamentals of the game plan, however poorly executed, haven't changed much. It's not like we've switched from 10 man rugby, to silky back moves, and back again on a weekly basis. It's up to the players to put the plan in place on the pitch, no one else, not Gibbes, Kiss, Dundon, Peel, anyone
It is in the case where the majority of your firm are failing to perform week on week. We're not talking about isolated incidents here, we're talking about a trend, and it's the person in charge's responsibly to deal with that trend. Heck they might be responsible for creating the conditions that caused that trend in the first place, and I believe that to be the case with Kiss.

Re: FOLK

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:02 pm
by Dave
Congratulate the coach when the team win and blame the players when the team lose.

Is this bakebook?

Re: FOLK

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:21 pm
by Tender
We've consistently going down hill for the last two seasons. It's not as though Kiss's Plan has been ignored during the odd game. Mostly we've been very poor this season, with the odd good game. Kiss constantly claims his players didn't operate 'The Plan' after the poor performances, but if that's the case, surely after two feckin years he'd have it sorted.
After two years it's clearly a case of 'The plan is at fault' and it's his feckin plan.
Add to that his insistence on playing guys out of their best positions, ignoring players and treating other players like the shyte on his shoes, how can anyone defend him?
His treatment of players and his positional lottery will do feck all to help build a team spirit.

Re: FOLK

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:57 pm
by Deraless
Inconsistent selection + inconsistent messages from coach = Inconsistent team performances

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Re: FOLK

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:30 pm
by stickinout
Deraless wrote:Inconsistent selection + inconsistent messages from coach = Inconsistent team performances

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That's it in a nutshell, i'm sick to my bawbag seeing players being played out of position. Once in a while, fair enough, to fill a hole but this season selection has been a mystery on a weekly basis.

Re: FOLK

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:11 pm
by Rooster
stickinout wrote:
Deraless wrote:Inconsistent selection + inconsistent messages from coach = Inconsistent team performances

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That's it in a nutshell, i'm sick to my bawbag seeing players being played out of position. Once in a while, fair enough, to fill a hole but this season selection has been a mystery on a weekly basis.
It worked out yesterday when Gilly got knocked on the napper

Re: FOLK

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:13 pm
by Deraless
Rooster wrote:
stickinout wrote:
Deraless wrote:Inconsistent selection + inconsistent messages from coach = Inconsistent team performances

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That's it in a nutshell, i'm sick to my bawbag seeing players being played out of position. Once in a while, fair enough, to fill a hole but this season selection has been a mystery on a weekly basis.
It worked out yesterday when Gilly got knocked on the napper
I waz waiting for Cave to play on the wing!


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Re: FOLK

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:31 pm
by Rooster
Deraless wrote:
Rooster wrote:
stickinout wrote:
Deraless wrote:Inconsistent selection + inconsistent messages from coach = Inconsistent team performances

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That's it in a nutshell, i'm sick to my bawbag seeing players being played out of position. Once in a while, fair enough, to fill a hole but this season selection has been a mystery on a weekly basis.
It worked out yesterday when Gilly got knocked on the napper
I waz waiting for Cave to play on the wing!


(Not really)

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Wouldn't have surprised me though

Re: FOLK

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:33 pm
by 222toHounslow
Will DC start next week or shafted again?

Re: FOLK

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:39 pm
by big mervyn
Tender wrote:We've consistently going down hill for the last two seasons. It's not as though Kiss's Plan has been ignored during the odd game. Mostly we've been very poor this season, with the odd good game. Kiss constantly claims his players didn't operate 'The Plan' after the poor performances, but if that's the case, surely after two feckin years he'd have it sorted.
After two years it's clearly a case of 'The plan is at fault' and it's his feckin plan.
Add to that his insistence on playing guys out of their best positions, ignoring players and treating other players like the shyte on his shoes, how can anyone defend him?
His treatment of players and his positional lottery will do feck all to help build a team spirit.
On the post match interview he said La Rochelle took 7 years. On that basis Fit's time is up but Les has to 2023.

Re: FOLK

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:25 pm
by twiglet
A 'five pointer' away at Wasps will mean we qualify for a home quarter final.

If that happens maybe Kiss will be sacked !

Re: FOLK

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:56 am
by Deraless
If we get a home quarter then Jared's headaches will be gone.

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Re: FOLK

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:05 am
by BaggyTrousers
breakdown wrote: Of course it's the players fault, as a coach myself people coming out with that line really doesnt sit well. Tactics can be wrong, motivation may be poor etc etc which is fine but to blame a coach on not "performing consistently" really is a non argument to me

For example it's take the analogy you are a manager in a firm. those under you will fundamentally be told how to carry out their core job, which doesn't change much on a weekly basis. It isn't then up to me, as the manager, to take the brunt of the failings of the staff around me for not carrying out the instructions I have given them when i can't impact how they work 9-5, given I have my own role to do on a daily basis

The same can be applied here. Our tactics don't change week on week much, yes i'm sure the players are given slight, individual tactical changes etc from the waterboys but the fundamentals of the game plan, however poorly executed, haven't changed much. It's not like we've switched from 10 man rugby, to silky back moves, and back again on a weekly basis. It's up to the players to put the plan in place on the pitch, no one else, not Gibbes, Kiss, Dundon, Peel, anyone
That is garbage, I'm sure you'd like me to explain why:

1) Continuous selection of players out of position
2) Chopping and changing consistently does not create partnerships no matter in what part of the side you look.
3) Well-founded stories of bizarre treatment of players, two or three of whom have played 200 plus Ulster games and throwing Cairns of/under the bus.
4) Talk of targetting and not targetting games, what sort of coach does that?
5) Incoherent mumbo-jumbo, it was actually a relief to hear him speak in plain English yesterday & I have to say I actually felt empathy for him for he was emotional, as if he knew the writing was on the wall had they lost.

LOOK, players don't get a free ride but the above are serious signs of, at the kindest, a man flailing around with no real idea of how consistency can be achieved and seemingly unaware that his own inconsistencies contribute to the shambles.

That said if you look at results I think it's pretty clear that the players want to do well and are not simply throwing the DOR under the bus, they have pulled a few games out of the fire, there is no lack of desire.

Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion BD.

Now I detect seriously odd talk abroad, suggestions of a home QF being on the cards. Just to inject a dose of realism, this year we have won away 3 times, Treviso where we almost lost a 21-0 lead, Kings in a shambolic match and in the snow at Hairyquims.

Yes dears it would be great but FFFS does anyone in their right mind think a TBP away is remotely possible ................ albeit Wassups collapse yesterday was legendary? :lol: