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Tom O’Toole
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 11:11 am
by richardt84
Interesting snippet in the link below where Bernard Jackman suggests a switch to loose head for Tom O’Toole. While I can see it as being worth a gamble for Ireland, particularly with addition of Jager to tight head stocks, I’m not sure what it does for Ulster but we know that isn’t likely to be a consideration if there is any truth to it.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2024/010 ... captaincy/
Re: Tom O’Toole
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:44 pm
by Dave
Does it ever work for someone not particularly great at scrummaging? Genuine question as if it helps his game go for it. It might not help Ulster in the short term though
Re: Tom O’Toole
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:54 pm
by Jetstream
Jackman's latest theory. Is he still pushing JJ for the number 10 spot? Ruaidhri O'Connor is also pushing for Zebo to cover the back three.
Re: Tom O’Toole
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:11 pm
by Cap'n Grumpy
Jetstream wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:54 pm
Jackman's latest theory. Is he still pushing
JJ for the number 10 spot?
Now pushing for
LL for 10
Not Louis Ludik . . . Lord Lucan.
Re: Tom O’Toole
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2024 10:00 pm
by CIMANFOREVER
Dave wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:44 pm
Does it ever work for someone not particularly great at scrummaging? Genuine question as if it helps his game go for it. It might not help Ulster in the short term though
Hard to change at 26. Porter did it, albeit going tight to loose is easier than vice versa, but TOTs no Porter.
I really don't see the point, and TOT would be better staying where he is. Currently 3rd choice but that could change to second given Furlongs form and injury profile. No guarantee of success going to loose imo.
BJ, like his namesake, sucks a big one afaic.
Re: Tom O’Toole
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:08 am
by justinr73
CIMANFOREVER wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 10:00 pm
Dave wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:44 pm
Does it ever work for someone not particularly great at scrummaging? Genuine question as if it helps his game go for it. It might not help Ulster in the short term though
Hard to change at 26. Porter did it, albeit going tight to loose is easier than vice versa, but TOTs no Porter.
I really don't see the point, and TOT would be better staying where he is. Currently 3rd choice but that could change to second given Furlongs form and injury profile. No guarantee of success going to loose imo.
BJ, like his namesake, sucks a big one afaic.
Robin Jackman?
A more than decent cricketer.
1,400 first class wickets take some getting.
Re: Tom O’Toole
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:45 pm
by Bart S
justinr73 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:08 am
CIMANFOREVER wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 10:00 pm
Dave wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:44 pm
Does it ever work for someone not particularly great at scrummaging? Genuine question as if it helps his game go for it. It might not help Ulster in the short term though
Hard to change at 26. Porter did it, albeit going tight to loose is easier than vice versa, but TOTs no Porter.
I really don't see the point, and TOT would be better staying where he is. Currently 3rd choice but that could change to second given Furlongs form and injury profile. No guarantee of success going to loose imo.
BJ, like his namesake, sucks a big one afaic.
Robin Jackman?
A more than decent cricketer.
1,400 first class wickets take some getting.
Wasn't he a classic English medium pacer....from South Africa?
Re: Tom O’Toole
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:05 pm
by CIMANFOREVER
justinr73 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:08 am
CIMANFOREVER wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 10:00 pm
Dave wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:44 pm
Does it ever work for someone not particularly great at scrummaging? Genuine question as if it helps his game go for it. It might not help Ulster in the short term though
Hard to change at 26. Porter did it, albeit going tight to loose is easier than vice versa, but TOTs no Porter.
I really don't see the point, and TOT would be better staying where he is. Currently 3rd choice but that could change to second given Furlongs form and injury profile. No guarantee of success going to loose imo.
BJ, like his namesake, sucks a big one afaic.
Robin Jackman?
A more than decent cricketer.
1,400 first class wickets take some getting.
Bernard...
Re: Tom O’Toole
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:09 pm
by big mervyn
Bart S wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:45 pm
justinr73 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:08 am
CIMANFOREVER wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 10:00 pm
Dave wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:44 pm
Does it ever work for someone not particularly great at scrummaging? Genuine question as if it helps his game go for it. It might not help Ulster in the short term though
Hard to change at 26. Porter did it, albeit going tight to loose is easier than vice versa, but TOTs no Porter.
I really don't see the point, and TOT would be better staying where he is. Currently 3rd choice but that could change to second given Furlongs form and injury profile. No guarantee of success going to loose imo.
BJ, like his namesake, sucks a big one afaic.
Robin Jackman?
A more than decent cricketer.
1,400 first class wickets take some getting.
Wasn't he a classic English medium pacer....from South Africa?
Zimbabwe but played in SA. Seem to remember that causing a few problems in the Windies during the apartheid era.
Re: Tom O’Toole
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:15 pm
by justinr73
big mervyn wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:09 pm
Bart S wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 1:45 pm
justinr73 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 12:08 am
CIMANFOREVER wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 10:00 pm
Dave wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:44 pm
Does it ever work for someone not particularly great at scrummaging? Genuine question as if it helps his game go for it. It might not help Ulster in the short term though
Hard to change at 26. Porter did it, albeit going tight to loose is easier than vice versa, but TOTs no Porter.
I really don't see the point, and TOT would be better staying where he is. Currently 3rd choice but that could change to second given Furlongs form and injury profile. No guarantee of success going to loose imo.
BJ, like his namesake, sucks a big one afaic.
Robin Jackman?
A more than decent cricketer.
1,400 first class wickets take some getting.
Wasn't he a classic English medium pacer....from South Africa?
Zimbabwe but played in SA. Seem to remember that causing a few problems in the Windies during the apartheid era.
He actually took the Colin Cowdrey/Douglas Jardine route of being born in India, the son of Major Jackman.
Grew up in England and joined Surrey, before spending his winters playing and coaching in Rhodesia/Zim and SA.
Re: Tom O’Toole
Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:09 pm
by Bart S
CIMANFOREVER wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 10:00 pm
Dave wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:44 pm
Does it ever work for someone not particularly great at scrummaging? Genuine question as if it helps his game go for it. It might not help Ulster in the short term though
Hard to change at 26. Porter did it, albeit going tight to loose is easier than vice versa, but TOTs no Porter.
I really don't see the point, and TOT would be better staying where he is. Currently 3rd choice but that could change to second given Furlongs form and injury profile. No guarantee of success going to loose imo.
BJ, like his namesake, sucks a big one afaic.
Agreed. It would be a surprise for sure. Ireland weak behind Porter who himself has got on the wrong side of a lot if refs at scrum time in the last year. Healy increasingly injury prone and Kilcoyne looks done.
Re: Tom O’Toole
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:55 pm
by Jetstream
Kilcoyne is out for the season. I can't see them turning to Buckley who should have been capped years ago. He is now on the wane.
Re: Tom O’Toole
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:57 pm
by CIMANFOREVER
Jetstream wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:55 pm
Kilcoyne is out for the season. I can't see them turning to Buckley who should have been capped years ago. He is now on the wane.
Sadly agree. About 2 seasons past his best. Criminal waste tbh
Re: Tom O’Toole
Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2024 4:38 pm
by Cap'n Grumpy
CIMANFOREVER wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:57 pm
Jetstream wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 1:55 pm
Kilcoyne is out for the season. I can't see them turning to Buckley who should have been capped years ago. He is now on the wane.
Sadly agree. About 2 seasons past his best. Criminal waste tbh
Too Buckley now.
Buckles too easily.