PROTEST CORNER

[Liz Fraser]

We have to remember that the leaders of this group are professional protesters and a way ahead of the game, UR have failed here, listen to their demands, they have said, they do not want the players sacked, they want accountability they want a change in what they perceive as misogyny In the sport, due to the whatsapp messages. (They dont care about threesomes or they would have been protesting before against Zeb and Murray.)

UR and their amateur leadership have failed, they should have been on to this group, told them they agree and that they want to help and to understand, invite them in, ask them to put forward representatives to help them advise , tell them that they agree with most of what the want, exploit it , put it out there in the social media world that they live in, employ a proper real McCoy PR man not Finlay, , start selling what good we do for women in sport, invite them to the ladies finals , have a focus group with some of the female members of UR .

These people are serial protesters , but their weak link is dialogue, start that and you take away the majority who follow them, the sheeple, These are social media followers , take them away from the fight, leave only the hard core protesters and that will be them exposed.

UR you can contact me, you know where I am, but it’s too late

Agreed Kofi said as much before these guys are organised and a well drilled seasoned movement and the one thing you can't do is ignore them.
However I don't think they as reasonable as you are painting them.
They are DEMANDING the sacking of our players and that's crossing the line with me and others.
If that happens they will claim that as their victory regardless and that sets a very dangerous future precedent.

UR have buried their heads in the sands hoping they will go away but that just gives impetus to the whole thing.
One thing we have learned is you can't fight them with silence.
Should have done exactly as you suggested.

[Rooster]

To be fair their 5 main points are hard to take issue with, it is their rant about a few texts and using it as an excuse to protest about their aims when it is not actually one of their key points.
I have been reading and commenting peacefully on some of their Twitter threads and for the major mistake of calling them ladies got a reply "feck off you patronising c**t I'm not debating with you any more" now that is the class of people you are dealing with.

[Rooster]

On the point of the players sacking yes they certainly did start off wanting that but there was then a split in their ranks when the press backfired on them over the ad and also the stopping the petition and this is why the original aims of the protest were actually changed to their new stance. It certainly helps when you have a bit of inside info from their closed forums and not just the public profile ;-)

[Liz Fraser]

On the point of the players sacking yes they certainly did start off wanting that but there was then a split in their ranks when the press backfired on them over the ad and also the stopping the petition and this is why the original aims of the protest were actually changed to their new stance. It certainly helps when you have a bit of inside info from their closed forums and not just the public profile ;-)

Fair play Rooster I will accept that and I have no difficulty with anything they are saying outside that.
However they can be a confused lot and I hope the rest of the 70000 odd buy into that.
It would also help if they compromised by urging their followers to drop the #believeher thing and accept the outcome of the law of the land.

[Rooster]

On the point of the players sacking yes they certainly did start off wanting that but there was then a split in their ranks when the press backfired on them over the ad and also the stopping the petition and this is why the original aims of the protest were actually changed to their new stance. It certainly helps when you have a bit of inside info from their closed forums and not just the public profile ;-)

Fair play Rooster I will accept that and I have no difficulty with anything they are saying outside that.
However they can be a confused lot and I hope the rest of the 70000 odd buy into that.
It would also help if they compromised by urging their followers to drop the #believeher thing and accept the outcome of the law of the land.

There is a split in that as well actually Liz, a section of them agree with the courts decision, then there is the bunch who are taking the part that they treated her like a bit of meat, some others the language of the messages is the problem, there really is a huge number of conflicting groups within the overall unit of them.
So tonight there will be those who just follow their 5 main points right through to a socialist left-wing republican man hating, pussy munching dole scrounger. Everything from decent folks to serial protestors who will be out at any anti establishment or for that fact ant anything type.

The several groups of them would be a first rate PhD dissertation in Psychology for someone actually. It really is a bonkers mix.

[Dave]

Just ignore them. It will blow over.

[big mervyn]

On the point of the players sacking yes they certainly did start off wanting that but there was then a split in their ranks when the press backfired on them over the ad and also the stopping the petition and this is why the original aims of the protest were actually changed to their new stance. It certainly helps when you have a bit of inside info from their closed forums and not just the public profile ;-)

[Cornerfleg]

Where do they stand in relation to finding my boxers?

[big mervyn]

To be fair their 5 main points are hard to take issue with, it is their rant about a few texts and using it as an excuse to protest about their aims when it is not actually one of their key points.
I have been reading and commenting peacefully on some of their Twitter threads and for the major mistake of calling them ladies got a reply "feck off you patronising c**t I'm not debating with you any more" now that is the class of people you are dealing with.

Quality For future reference, what should you have called them?

[Russ]

Where do they stand in relation to finding my boxers?

Dare you to ask them
That's what will start the riot

Bet some idiot brings a tricolour

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[Tighty]

We have to remember that the leaders of this group are professional protesters and a way ahead of the game, UR have failed here, listen to their demands, they have said, they do not want the players sacked, they want accountability they want a change in what they perceive as misogyny In the sport, due to the whatsapp messages. (They dont care about threesomes or they would have been protesting before against Zeb and Murray.)

UR and their amateur leadership have failed, they should have been on to this group, told them they agree and that they want to help and to understand, invite them in, ask them to put forward representatives to help them advise , tell them that they agree with most of what the want, exploit it , put it out there in the social media world that they live in, employ a proper real McCoy PR man not Finlay, , start selling what good we do for women in sport, invite them to the ladies finals , have a focus group with some of the female members of UR .

These people are serial protesters , but their weak link is dialogue, start that and you take away the majority who follow them, the sheeple, These are social media followers , take them away from the fight, leave only the hard core protesters and that will be them exposed.

UR you can contact me, you know where I am, but it’s too late

I never thought I would say this ...I agree with you 99% Kofi... (I don't know the current Ulster PR guy and therefore can't comment on his competence)

[BR]

Quality For future reference, what should you have called them?

I usually find, "Love" achieves the desired response.

[TopPoster]

Can someone ask them on their way past: why is it ok for the complainant to call other girls Sluts, when they were not engaged in consensual group sex, yet not ok for men to use that term? Are some more equal than others?

[Cornerfleg]

Sad to say the days of using any logic or reasoning in this debate have passed TP ... pick a side paint yer fleg make a placard ... next stop riots, internment ... and then a peace process ... History does tend to teach us nothing.

[Liz Fraser]

I think this is a symptom of having so many supporters having so many viewpoints without any particular figurehead or group to guide them.
For example have people stopped to wonder how they got so many petition signers so quickly?
That's because of their extensive feminist network world wide.
Its an actual continuous movement rather than our specific movement to defend our players.

So Rosy in Roscommon will link the petition to Shiela in Sydney who will open and click without batting an eye lid safe in the knowledge that Rosy will sign Shields petition for better childcare in Erinsbourgh elementary next week.
And Sheila forwards it to Karen in Kanas etc etc.

They realise that numbers count regardless of the cause.
Look around you will see rightly or wrongly women in the top positions in a lot of organisation and their route in a lot of cases is through feminist networking under the.banner of equalities.
Men in power will succumb to these pressure groups and that's a worry.

By contrast I was amazed we got 16k+ so quickly in a petition that soley applied to UR.
Not many people would have signed it without a passionate belief in our specific cause
However they knew how to sabotage it and once they did it would stop momentum.
Its what they do!

If the protesters did anything they tapped into Ulster folk and gave us a cause.
No one in Ulster Rugby have come forward because none wants to be the sole voice and that's who they prey on.
Willie John isn't intimidated but he's nothing to lose and he couldn't care at this point what these people think of him.

However we realise and have learned from these guys that it's a numbers game and they can't come after 16k of us possibly why they have calmed their demands as well.
Of course they won't admit it but they are not used to being challenged.
Well done all!

As has been said tonight at the game continue to voice that support.
But now the Sheilas of this world have left for their next cause maybe we are left with the reasonable few who do have reasonable concerns of UR.
We shall see and I certainly hope that's the case because I like doing reasonable and I'm done with the vitriol.