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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by justinr73 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:00 pm

You'll like the Melting Pot in Toulouse Neill.

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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by Neill_M » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:36 pm

Possible draw combinations for Ulster from Pots 1-3

Toulouse, Chiefs, Ulster (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2, T14 3 sides in Pot 2**)
Toulouse, Gloucester, Ulster (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2, T14 3 sides in Pot 2*)
Toulouse, Saints, Ulster (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2, Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2)
Clermont, Chiefs, Ulster (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2, T14 3 sides in Pot 2**)
Clermont, Gloucester, Ulster (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2, T14 3 sides in Pot 2*)
Clermont, Saints, Ulster (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2, Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2)
Saracens, Lyon, Ulster (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2, T14 3 sides in Pot 2)
Toulouse, Ulster, Quins (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2)
Clermont, Ulster, Quins (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2)
Saracens, Ulster, La Rochelle (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2, T14 3 sides in Pot 2)
Saracens, Ulster, Racing 92 (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2)
Chiefs, Ulster, La Rochelle (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2, T14 3 sides in Pot 2)
Chiefs, Ulster, Racing 92 (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2)
Saracens, Toulouse, Ulster (T14 3 sides in Pot 2**)
Saracens, Clermont, Ulster (T14 3 sides in Pot 2**)
Chiefs, Lyon, Ulster (T14 3 sides in Pot 2)

*If side wins the Top 14 Final. ** Depends on who loses the Top 14 Final.
Equal 20% chance of drawing one of Benetton, Montpellier, Bath, Ospreys, Sale from Pot 4.

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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by Bobbievee » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:26 pm

Only one thing sadder than somebody writing this tosh......and that is me reading it.
Can we just wait until the draw?

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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by Neill_M » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:29 pm

Bobbievee wrote:Only one thing sadder than somebody writing this tosh......and that is me reading it.
Can we just wait until the draw?
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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by for dog and ulcer » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:24 pm

Neill_M wrote:
Bobbievee wrote:Only one thing sadder than somebody writing this tosh......and that is me reading it.
Can we just wait until the draw?
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I appreciate Neill's effort made on the behalf of interested followers and also that someone other than the organisers can fathom the possible outcomes. I'm sure he could assist with Brexit discussions. And make it clear that the projected outcomes there are not simple and clear.

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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by Cap'n Grumpy » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:36 pm

for dog and ulcer wrote:I appreciate Neill's effort made on the behalf of interested followers and also that someone other than the organisers can fathom the possible outcomes. I'm sure he could assist with Brexit discussions. And make it clear that the projected outcomes there are not simple and clear.
That's Snipe yer thinking of. :thumleft:
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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by UlsterNo9 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:10 am

Bobbievee wrote:Only one thing sadder than somebody writing this tosh......and that is me reading it.
Can we just wait until the draw?
In the words of a man formerly of this parish.... away and ride your hand.

@Neill_M - Like yourself Neill I enjoy looking at all of the permutations and outcomes. Keep them coming good sir :thumleft:
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Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by Neill_M » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:28 am

Previous format was messy, new and improved one below:

Possible draw combinations for Ulster from Pots 1-3

Premiership with 3 sides in Pot 2:

Toulouse, Chiefs, Ulster
Toulouse, Gloucester, Ulster
Toulouse, Saints, Ulster
Clermont, Chiefs, Ulster
Clermont, Gloucester, Ulster
Clermont, Saints, Ulster
Saracens, Lyon, Ulster

Pro 14 with 3 sides in Pot 2:

Toulouse, Ulster, Saints
Toulouse, Ulster, Quins
Clermont, Ulster, Saints
Clermont, Ulster, Quins
Saracens, Ulster, La Rochelle
Saracens, Ulster, Racing 92
Chiefs, Ulster, La Rochelle
Chiefs, Ulster, Racing 92

Top 14 with 3 sides in Pot 2:

Toulouse, Gloucester, Ulster
Saracens, Clermont, Ulster
Saracens, Lyon, Ulster
Saracens, La Rochelle, Ulster
Chiefs, Clermont, Ulster
Chiefs, Lyon, Ulster
Chiefs, La Rochelle, Ulster

Chance of Ulster Drawing following sides in Pots 1-3:

Toulouse 43% (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2) 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 14% (Top 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 27% (Overall)
Chiefs 29% (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2) 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 43% (Top 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 32% (Overall)
Gloucester 29% (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2) 14% (Top 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 14% (Overall)
Saints 29% (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2) 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 18% (Overall)
Clermont 43% (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2) 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 29% (Top 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 32% (Overall)
Saracens 14% (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2) 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 43% (Top 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 27% (Overall)
Lyon 14% (Prem 3 sides in Pot 2) 29% (Top 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 14% (Overall)
Quins 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 9% (Overall)
La Rochelle 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 29% (Top 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 18% (0verall)
Racing 92 25% (Pro 14 3 sides in Pot 2) 9% (Overall)

Equal 20% chance of drawing one of Benetton, Montpellier, Bath, Ospreys, Sale from Pot 4 in each of the draw scenarios.
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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by Cap'n Grumpy » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:20 pm

Any chance you could do those colour coded by country or even league to make them easier to read Neil? :duck:



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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by Neill_M » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:05 pm

Cap'n Grumpy wrote:Any chance you could do those colour coded by country or even league to make them easier to read Neil? :duck:



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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by justinr73 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:20 pm

Saracens and Racing would be rubbish.

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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by Neill_M » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:28 pm

justinr73 wrote:Saracens and Racing would be rubbish.
I agree, would be the worst teams from those respective leagues to draw. Would not be rushing to Sale or Ospreys either. Gloucester and either Toulouse/Clermont would be good. Lyon and Exeter would also be good.

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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by Cap'n Grumpy » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:50 pm

Neill_M wrote:
Cap'n Grumpy wrote:Any chance you could do those colour coded by country or even league to make them easier to read Neil? :duck:



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Really? :scratch:

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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by big mervyn » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:19 pm

Cap'n Grumpy wrote:Any chance you could do those colour coded by country or even league to make them easier to read Neil? :duck:



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Re: Heineken Cup seeding.

Post by Neill_M » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:30 pm

big mervyn wrote:
Cap'n Grumpy wrote:Any chance you could do those colour coded by country or even league to make them easier to read Neil? :duck:



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I'd prefer Ulster in red :duck:
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