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Good point. Though on the flip side Sinclair stayed on for 67 minutes, with Elia and Marler playing 78 minutes. Their front row clocked considerable miles also.
Point taken, Rocky. I was just thinking about the offside. Cooney did seem to be taken out a few times. As Rumn points out, playing the man and not the ball is very much part of the modern game especially at rucks. If a player has his hand on the ruck is he 'technically' part of the ruck? If so, refereeing in a way that accepts him being taken out like this is legalistic folly and allows scrum halves to be taken out almost at will.rocky wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:16 amFair play - NOT!!!solidarity wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:26 pm Just watched the match again.
Three wee points of interest.
Their first try, Marler clearly in from the wrong side at the ruck before the try.
Marler at 47:3 holding Herring's foot while on the ground.
Fair play on the third try, Dombrandt was onside or as near as makes no difference.
Watch at 59:35 (score 15 - 17) - after their No 8 breaks from their line, there are a couple of offloads and then there is a ruck. The No 8 comes right round the ruck and takes Cooney to the ground with a forearm smash to his head - a very clear red card offence. Missed by all the officials and the TMO. Mind you, given everything else they missed, it's not a terrible surprise. Still, it should have been no try and them down to 14 men for the rest of the match.
In addition, Robshaw took out Cooney at the back of rucks at least three times and they got away with several high tackles and persistent offsides at rucks - the officials reffed this for about the first ten minutes and then forgot about it.
All in all, I thought we did very well to win against a very cynical team and an incompetent bunch of officials.
He was putting his boot on again.justinr73 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:29 pm Marcel took longer than normal to get up shortly before he went off - he may have been fiddling around with his boot. Or his ankle...
We're obviously hoping to squeeze one more performance out of our key players before we send some lambs to the slaughter at the RDS.
Quins have Wasps away which they would love to win, no doubt.
The Northern Ireland born official to whom Quins4life may be refering is likely to be Keith Allen who was a 'linesman' on Saturday. I understand he left NI study in Scotland about 10-15 years ago and is now a doctor. He has been refereeing for SRU for some years now.GLENN CORNICK wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 11:55 pmNeil Patterson is from N Ireland but he left in the mid or late 80s and is an official of the SRU. He is a dentist in Edinburgh.
So he's qualified, just like all the officials by Union, not by place of birth.
Unless quims4life is suggesting Patterson is a corrupt official?
Marius Mitrea was born in Romania and has Italian citizenship; so he could end up reffing an England v Romania game if one was proposed.
JP Doyle from Dublin. Doyle started his refereeing career with the Association of Referees Leinster Branch of the IRFU is now reffing out of the English RFU so he could ref Leinster v any none English side; potentially dodgy eh? Better warn the Scots, French, Welsh and the other Irish provinces
Not in a position to check but I think at the end of the match Marcel had strapping on his ankle/foot on the outside of his boot.thecrouch wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:29 pmHe was putting his boot on again.justinr73 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:29 pm Marcel took longer than normal to get up shortly before he went off - he may have been fiddling around with his boot. Or his ankle...
We're obviously hoping to squeeze one more performance out of our key players before we send some lambs to the slaughter at the RDS.
Quins have Wasps away which they would love to win, no doubt.
Marler was holding Ulster players illegally at the rucks all day long ...maybe Ulster players were also ''at their work'' in this regard but I never noticed.solidarity wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:26 pm Just watched the match again.
Three wee points of interest.
Their first try, Marler clearly in from the wrong side at the ruck before the try.
Marler at 47:3 holding Herring's foot while on the ground.
Fair play on the third try, Dombrandt was onside or as near as makes no difference.
In hindsight could the fact EO'S went the full 80 minutes be an indication we are confident Jack McGrath will be good to go next weekend? Therefore the reasoning why we didn't feel the need to take EO'S off?Dharper wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:37 pm Gilroy looks like he needs some game time - he’s been out for a long while and a Euro game comeback, with a misfiring backline isn’t probably the easiest way back. I’d get RB on at 14 ideally - he has the pace to deal with itoye. LL for me at 15, JS on the left.
I think we can play better, I’m not so sure quins can do much more. Interesting to see what they decide to do re selection. They have 5 points, can’t see them getting a result against a focused clermont, they look short of a best runner up spot. That said it’s a home game for them & they’ll prob fancy turning us over. As mentioned quins v wasps week after this game is a big game - someone big is going down as sarries claw everyone in.
( As an aside sarries potentially could be a best runner up, & have the potential to win away qf & SF. They could make the final, win it then qualify for next yr despite finishing prob 5/6 in the league - I would’nt rule them out.)
If we can lock the scrum, I fancy us for a win. I’m very interested to see how EOS goes again-see how quick he learns. MM is worth his weight in gold to this side.
To be honest, I think Gilroy is a beaten docket at this point. Pace is gone and you can read the jinks in last weeks Beano.Dharper wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:37 pm Gilroy looks like he needs some game time - he’s been out for a long while and a Euro game comeback, with a misfiring backline isn’t probably the easiest way back. I’d get RB on at 14 ideally - he has the pace to deal with itoye. LL for me at 15, JS on the left.
