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Re: Rainbow Cup

Post by Dave » Sat May 15, 2021 11:12 am

Hendo looked to be really pressuring the ref. Good to see him learning lessons from the Leicester game.
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Re: Rainbow Cup

Post by Silverstu » Sat May 15, 2021 11:40 am

Much improved performance - just small mistakes at crucial times cost us but in terms of defence, line breaks and the scrum a lot to be positive about. They have to hitting that standard regularly though and adding that clinical finish. Dan has said they need to train at a higher level- hopefully the coaching team will evolve things and build properly over the summer. I liked how we played smart rugby with the tip on passes and footwork making good ground. Timony and Rea were excellent, EoS went well and I thought Shanners did well [bar the errors]. Doak looks very promising, I hope himself and Reid get the remaining games along with a few others, they need to be trusted to start or come on and make a difference, its about having quality in depth. Dan's first 2 seasons seemed like upward curves, this year we've stalled a bit and maybe not gotten the luck we have previously, have to see if Dan can respond to that and get back on track and developing the young forwards especially is key to that.

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Re: Rainbow Cup

Post by jean valjean » Sat May 15, 2021 11:44 am

I'm not sure the captains challenge is a good thing. Normally the ref /tmo makes a decision and the players get on with it. With a challenge the captain always feels the need to argue the point given the consequences of losing it. Its not good for the game in the long run. Maybe the challenge should be made by the coaching team directly to the TMO? Certainly healys try should have been reviewed on 2nd viewing which wasn't obvious to those on the pitch. It was noticeable that leinster tried a challenge at the end of the game that began with a message relayed to the doctor on the pitch.

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Re: Rainbow Cup

Post by SUFTUM_19 » Sat May 15, 2021 12:18 pm

Cap'n Grumpy wrote:
Sat May 15, 2021 8:50 am
SUFTUM_19 wrote:
Sat May 15, 2021 2:47 am
The character and fight is certainly there, and that will go a long way. We do still lack that bit of quality and composure, especially in taking our chances, but that will come with experience.
Agree with most of what you say, but that last bit seems to have been the feeling around Ulster for the last 15 years or more.

Still wondering what this "experience" is that keeps alluding us. :?

Maybe it's just winning in certain places (eg RDS) or getting a piece of silverware, but whatever it is, Leinster already have it in bucket loads, so when the pressure is on they are calm and assured, soak up pressure and take their chances when they come along (mostly). We, on the other hand, lose composure against certain teams (Leinster) when we get to their 5m line, and don't defend our own line against them the way we do against others.

It seems the only experience we are building is still losing to teams like Leinster, at places like RDS.
That’s a very point point. I think the last time we had that proper quality and experience was 2012/2013 era. But I think now the age profile of the squad is very young, and in McFarland we have the best coach since McLaughlin, so I have a good feeling about the next generation coming through. I think this current crop of players (those who are maybe 27/28 and above) have maybe hit their ceiling with Pro14 finals/European quarter finals, but it’s the next generation coming through, the likes of O’Sullivan, Reid, O’Toole, Stewart, Izzy, McCann, Rea, Timoney etc and all those backs which I think could do great things, and I think they will learn from this.

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Re: Rainbow Cup

Post by solidarity » Sat May 15, 2021 1:55 pm

Not often I look back on a defeat and say, 'Actually, that wasn't bad.' We kept playing for the full 80 minutes and more with vigour and intensity. Still some basic skills weaknesses and what on earth went wrong with the lineout? (and Leinster's as well). Why try a delicate set move once and not have a couple of goes? Still, not a bad night's work.

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Re: Rainbow Cup

Post by Hans Indaruck » Sat May 15, 2021 2:37 pm

jean valjean wrote:
Sat May 15, 2021 11:44 am
It was noticeable that leinster tried a challenge at the end of the game that began with a message relayed to the doctor on the pitch.

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What was that all about? The ref said he would not accept a captain’s challenge which had emanated from the medial staff at pitch side! The game was over and won - what on earth were they trying to achieve with such a challenge?, :scratch:
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Re: Rainbow Cup

Post by germcevoy » Sat May 15, 2021 2:58 pm

Hans Indaruck wrote:
Sat May 15, 2021 2:37 pm
jean valjean wrote:
Sat May 15, 2021 11:44 am
It was noticeable that leinster tried a challenge at the end of the game that began with a message relayed to the doctor on the pitch.

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What was that all about? The ref said he would not accept a captain’s challenge which had emanated from the medial staff at pitch side! The game was over and won - what on earth were they trying to achieve with such a challenge?, :scratch:
The chance to play on and get the bonus point.

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Re: Rainbow Cup

Post by Hans Indaruck » Sat May 15, 2021 3:58 pm

germcevoy wrote:
Sat May 15, 2021 2:58 pm
Hans Indaruck wrote:
Sat May 15, 2021 2:37 pm
jean valjean wrote:
Sat May 15, 2021 11:44 am
It was noticeable that leinster tried a challenge at the end of the game that began with a message relayed to the doctor on the pitch.

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What was that all about? The ref said he would not accept a captain’s challenge which had emanated from the medial staff at pitch side! The game was over and won - what on earth were they trying to achieve with such a challenge?, :scratch:
The chance to play on and get the bonus point.
I get that, but what was the nature of the challenge given that it emanated from the medical team!? Just seems a bit strange!
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Re: Rainbow Cup

Post by richardt84 » Sat May 15, 2021 4:05 pm

Hans Indaruck wrote:
Sat May 15, 2021 3:58 pm
germcevoy wrote:
Sat May 15, 2021 2:58 pm
Hans Indaruck wrote:
Sat May 15, 2021 2:37 pm
jean valjean wrote:
Sat May 15, 2021 11:44 am
It was noticeable that leinster tried a challenge at the end of the game that began with a message relayed to the doctor on the pitch.

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What was that all about? The ref said he would not accept a captain’s challenge which had emanated from the medial staff at pitch side! The game was over and won - what on earth were they trying to achieve with such a challenge?, :scratch:
The chance to play on and get the bonus point.
I get that, but what was the nature of the challenge given that it emanated from the medical team!? Just seems a bit strange!
I can’t find the article but seemingly Cullen referred to them wanting to review a high tackle.

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Re: Rainbow Cup

Post by Dave » Sat May 15, 2021 4:29 pm

Would have been fine with Clancy.
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Re: Rainbow Cup

Post by Big-al » Sat May 15, 2021 5:30 pm

In recent weeks Hume for me has cemented his position as the number 1 13. Addison & Marshall have a job to do to get their place back. Hume is big, with a powerful burst of pace and underaged hands.

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Re: Rainbow Cup

Post by UlsterNo9 » Sat May 15, 2021 7:53 pm

jean valjean wrote:
Sat May 15, 2021 11:44 am
I'm not sure the captains challenge is a good thing. Normally the ref /tmo makes a decision and the players get on with it. With a challenge the captain always feels the need to argue the point given the consequences of losing it. Its not good for the game in the long run. Maybe the challenge should be made by the coaching team directly to the TMO? Certainly healys try should have been reviewed on 2nd viewing which wasn't obvious to those on the pitch. It was noticeable that leinster tried a challenge at the end of the game that began with a message relayed to the doctor on the pitch.

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Re: Rainbow Cup

Post by Setanta » Sat May 15, 2021 7:57 pm

No motm for this or have I missed it. The backrow of Rea, Riedy and Timoney were terrific so I give it to Timoney. I also think there was a deiberate knockon in the first five minutes so Ringrose should have had a yellow to go with the later dark orange of Henshaw. I hope this could be the start of confidence in this young side and look forward to next season. SUFTU !
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Re: Rainbow Cup

Post by Dave » Sat May 15, 2021 10:33 pm

Congratulations to Ulster on winning the 'false dawn: building nicely for next season' trophy.
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Re: Rainbow Cup

Post by Marco » Sun May 16, 2021 6:32 am

Definitely heard the lines before about youth coming through and benefitting from experience, a few times, well remembering when Trimby was one of a bright crop, so you can be blasé about it and easily enough convince yourself that beating Toulouse, Racing, Leinster, Exeter.... away from home or in knockout is just not gonna happen. To be positive, this was a good performance against the Leinster first team and one basic (loss of concentration) mistake in defence by Herring opened the door to 7 points. Best performance since two years ago in the qtr final, nearly same score lines also (21-18 and 21-17), so we’re back there, no better but at least back and I do feel that crowds being back next season will benefit Ulster more than most generally, so hanging in there for sure.

Special mention to Connacht also, some game at Thomond!

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