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Nigel Owens apologises to Saracens?

Post by for dog and ulcer » Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:39 pm

Nigel Owens gave a well deserved red card to Skelton. He referred to the decision as coming from the TMO and said "I'm sorry but.". Surely this is an indication that he needs to retire. I have never heard a referee apologise for a card before, especially for foul play. In general he seemed about as undecided as Jeremy Corbyn during that game. And several of the TMO Ian Davies's calls were at best marginal.

At present there is a crisis in rugby refereeing with only Nigel Owens generating any confidence in officials. However, apologising to Saracens seems bizarre to me.

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Re: Nigel Owens apologises to Saracens?

Post by Jackie Brown » Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:16 pm

I agree it was a nasty shoulder to the head, cynical at best.
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Re: Nigel Owens apologises to Saracens?

Post by germcevoy » Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:37 pm

I've heard refs drop the sorry line on red cards before. Seems to be when they are dishing out reds according to the letter of the law rather than it being a red they would dish out on their own merit. The refs job is to uphold the laws of the game and that was a red no matter which way it was looked at. Nigel needed to just wave the card.

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Re: Nigel Owens apologises to Saracens?

Post by for dog and ulcer » Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:07 pm

He actually said "I'm very sorry but that's a red card." Not defensible from a referee.

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Post by justinr73 » Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:24 pm

I disagree entirely and it’s all part of the healthy dialogue that Nigel is able to maintain with players.

I’ve said similar when calling bowlers for a wide.

Much better than running up to someone and brandishing a red like some of the jumped up twerps you get reffing the footy.

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Re: Nigel Owens apologises to Saracens?

Post by Bart S » Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:38 pm

justinr73 wrote:
Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:24 pm
I disagree entirely and it’s all part of the healthy dialogue that Nigel is able to maintain with players.

I’ve said similar when calling bowlers for a wide.

Much better than running up to someone and brandishing a red like some of the jumped up twerps you get reffing the footy.
I’d agree. At the end if the day he is the one who has to make the final decision and he did it. I wouldn’t read too much into the actual words. Besides, people often say “I am sorry but” when they may not actually be that genuinely sorry !,

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Re: Nigel Owens apologises to Saracens?

Post by solidarity » Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:51 pm

I'm with Justin on this. When I refereed, I'd say the same thing to any lad I sent off. It's not an apology for doing the right thing or for giving foul play its just deserts. It's, if I can use the term, 'pastoral'. I'd say something like, 'Sorry lad, but it's your own fault,' or 'Sorry lad but you deserve this.'

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Re: Nigel Owens apologises to Saracens?

Post by for dog and ulcer » Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:02 pm

These are professional rugby players being sanctioned for thuggery. Rather different from the examples cited? And if it was Farrell on Cooney would you feel the same? Similar to referees giving lectures on binding to professional props as if their failures were based on ignorance. Unnecessary nonsense.

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Re: Nigel Owens apologises to Saracens?

Post by Hapax Legomenon » Sun Jan 19, 2020 10:33 pm

So much outrage posted about a figure of speech. :roll:
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Re: Nigel Owens apologises to Saracens?

Post by for dog and ulcer » Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:12 pm

Outrage? I see no outrage. Simple question.

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Re: Nigel Owens apologises to Saracens?

Post by Jetstream » Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:00 pm

I think Nigel is just being mannerly.

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Re: Nigel Owens apologises to Saracens?

Post by for dog and ulcer » Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:53 pm

Jetstream wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:00 pm
I think Nigel is just being mannerly.
I agree. The problem is that he wasn't equally mannerly when sending a Racing 92 player to the bin nor has he been throughout his career. My question is why did he apologise to a Saracens player being redcarded for thuggery and is this not an error of judgement? At the very least he is undermining the TMO.

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Re: Nigel Owens apologises to Saracens?

Post by solidarity » Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:36 pm

Anywhere I can see this incident? Probably ought to see what I'm talking about before talking any more! :roll:

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Re: Nigel Owens apologises to Saracens?

Post by for dog and ulcer » Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:49 pm

BT Sport Twitter.

rugbydump.com/news/watch-skelton-shown-red-for-poor-tackle-in-huge-saracens-game/

"rugbydump Skelton" typed into Google will suffice

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Re: Nigel Owens apologises to Saracens?

Post by Bart S » Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:23 am

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a6E9wwV7OuQ

About 4 minutes in.

I have absolutely no problem with what Owens says to him. He obviously knows Skelton hence why he probably said what he did, but the decision is clear and the “apology” is more of a figure of speech. He does say “you need to learn to tackle better than that” so the message is pretty unambiguous.

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