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Re: Big World of Rugby

Post by Snipe Watson » Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:54 pm

big mervyn wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:51 pm
solidarity wrote:
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They say, keep politics out of sport. I disagree - it's part of sport. Here's an interesting article from a decade ago and some interesting links at the bottom of the page: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ine-people
I agree. If ever there was a case for politicising sport it was the apartheid regime and given the importance of rugby, a great shame on the Lions for breaching the boycott.
I have always been of the same mind Mervyn, but with one caveat.
The Irish players, particularly the Ulstermen have risen above politics in Ireland to represent the whole island and this was a time when things were particularly bad here and the IRFU was close to schism. I have never bought the supposed cover of the token games against non white teams that were played as they were every bit as much part of the apartheid system as the all white Boks. But the local Irish context did make something of a mitigating case for Willie John, Syd Millar, et al. In my opinion their default position had to be that politics and rugby were incompatible.
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Re: Big World of Rugby

Post by solidarity » Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:30 pm

Here's an interview with Eddie Jones on leadership. I'm not quite bored enough yet to listen to it; maybe others are: https://leadersinsport.com/performance/ ... +%7C+Email

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Re: Big World of Rugby

Post by solidarity » Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:31 pm

Never knew she was from Cookstown: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52291327

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Re: Big World of Rugby

Post by Bart S » Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:00 am

Snipe Watson wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:54 pm
big mervyn wrote:
Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:51 pm
solidarity wrote:
Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:18 pm
They say, keep politics out of sport. I disagree - it's part of sport. Here's an interesting article from a decade ago and some interesting links at the bottom of the page: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ine-people
I agree. If ever there was a case for politicising sport it was the apartheid regime and given the importance of rugby, a great shame on the Lions for breaching the boycott.
I have always been of the same mind Mervyn, but with one caveat.
The Irish players, particularly the Ulstermen have risen above politics in Ireland to represent the whole island and this was a time when things were particularly bad here and the IRFU was close to schism. I have never bought the supposed cover of the token games against non white teams that were played as they were every bit as much part of the apartheid system as the all white Boks. But the local Irish context did make something of a mitigating case for Willie John, Syd Millar, et al. In my opinion their default position had to be that politics and rugby were incompatible.

Guys like Willie John were before my time, but my view of his exploits will always be tarnished to some extent by the apartheid tours. Taking part at the time was one thing, but he then went on to manage the 1989 rebel world xv which played SA and at no time has he ever expressed any regret over his involvement in any of this (indeed it is much the opposite).

Of course plenty of countries have questionable records on human rights and the easy option would be not to mix sports and politics but in a country where the government deeemed the majority of the population to be inferior a stand had to be taken. Mind you, governments didn’t exactly help the issue either.

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