BuckRogers wrote:
Remember Schmidt plays rugby by numbers almost to the Nth degree. He values players who play within his system and who do not make mistakes and do not miss tackles. Witness the selection of Dave Average Kearney and McFadden ahead of more precocious talents like Zebo and Gilroy for example.
Yeah, I think that is demonstrated by Schmidt's approach towards offloads. None in the game against S Africa. Apparently he doesn't tell players *not* to offload in the tackle.... but it is clear Schmidt favours the lower risk approach of securing ball at the breakdown over 50:50 offloads. In training apparently there is a huge emphasis on the ball carrier and supporting player responsibilities to secure and generate quick ball at the breakdown and that must influence players a lot (maybe some more than others...) The more emphasis there is on this, the less offloading there will be because if the supporting players are expecting to hit the ruck rather than get a pass, the offload becomes even more risky.
Players like Trimble, Dave Average and McFadden will hit rucks all day long so they are favoured by Schmidt's system. I think Felix Jones fits this mould too. Who is more likely out of Gilroy and Zebo to really focus on the hard working, ruck hitting side of the game?
BuckRogers wrote:
Remember Schmidt plays rugby by numbers almost to the Nth degree. He values players who play within his system and who do not make mistakes and do not miss tackles. Witness the selection of Dave Average Kearney and McFadden ahead of more precocious talents like Zebo and Gilroy for example.
Yeah, I think that is demonstrated by Schmidt's approach towards offloads. None in the game against S Africa. Apparently he doesn't tell players *not* to offload in the tackle.... but it is clear Schmidt favours the lower risk approach of securing ball at the breakdown over 50:50 offloads. In training apparently there is a huge emphasis on the ball carrier and supporting player responsibilities to secure and generate quick ball at the breakdown and that must influence players a lot (maybe some more than others...) The more emphasis there is on this, the less offloading there will be because if the supporting players are expecting to hit the ruck rather than get a pass, the offload becomes even more risky.
Players like Trimble, Dave Average and McFadden will hit rucks all day long so they are favoured by Schmidt's system. I think Felix Jones fits this mould too. Who is more likely out of Gilroy and Zebo to really focus on the hard working, ruck hitting side of the game?
Neither can move a ruck, but Gilroy at least tries
Not sure about the whole lack of offloading. Pretty sure Ireland offload a fair amount and so did Leinster.
mikerob wrote:Offloads in 2014 6 nations:
France 84
England 64
Italy 49
Wales 47
Scotland 45
Ireland 27
Ireland's game may develop but right now, it definitely isn't an offloading team.
In my eyes there are 2 types of offload, the bog standard one which opposition can read and generally makes a meter but not a clean break and the much harder to execute properly is the type Cave and a few others prefer in drawing defence out of line and sending a runner through which is far harder to set up and execute properly as it is a matter of 2 or 3 players reading when it is on, you only get a few chances like that per match and half of them seem to finish in a try. That is Joes style from what I noticed with both Leinster and Ireland and is the means by both score their trys, the quick rucks are just a means of setting up the mismatches and opportunities to carry it out.
An interesting stat would be the percentage of those offloads that lead directly to trys, I reckon Ireland would have the highest percentage by a big margin.
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mikerob wrote:Offloads in 2014 6 nations:
France 84
England 64
Italy 49
Wales 47
Scotland 45
Ireland 27
Ireland's game may develop but right now, it definitely isn't an offloading team.
In my eyes there are 2 types of offload, the bog standard one which opposition can read and generally makes a meter but not a clean break and the much harder to execute properly is the type Cave and a few others prefer in drawing defence out of line and sending a runner through which is far harder to set up and execute properly as it is a matter of 2 or 3 players reading when it is on, you only get a few chances like that per match and half of them seem to finish in a try. That is Joes style from what I noticed with both Leinster and Ireland and is the means by both score their trys, the quick rucks are just a means of setting up the mismatches and opportunities to carry it out.
An interesting stat would be the percentage of those offloads that lead directly to trys, I reckon Ireland would have the highest percentage by a big margin.
There are also the offloads that feck up and hand possession over...
In yesterday's game there was at least one non-offload that handed possession over. Diack had the ball but Zebo ran a line as if Diack was going to offload (and I don't think the offload was really on) so when Diack went to ground, Zebo was a fraction of a second late at the ruck and the ball was turned over.
I agree that Joe's style is if you keep on generating quick ball, sooner or later you will score, rather than hoping that a line break or an offload will result in a score.
mikerob wrote:Offloads in 2014 6 nations:
France 84
England 64
Italy 49
Wales 47
Scotland 45
Ireland 27
Ireland's game may develop but right now, it definitely isn't an offloading team.
In my eyes there are 2 types of offload, the bog standard one which opposition can read and generally makes a meter but not a clean break and the much harder to execute properly is the type Cave and a few others prefer in drawing defence out of line and sending a runner through which is far harder to set up and execute properly as it is a matter of 2 or 3 players reading when it is on, you only get a few chances like that per match and half of them seem to finish in a try. That is Joes style from what I noticed with both Leinster and Ireland and is the means by both score their trys, the quick rucks are just a means of setting up the mismatches and opportunities to carry it out.
An interesting stat would be the percentage of those offloads that lead directly to trys, I reckon Ireland would have the highest percentage by a big margin.
There are also the offloads that feck up and hand possession over...
In yesterday's game there was at least one non-offload that handed possession over. Diack had the ball but Zebo ran a line as if Diack was going to offload (and I don't think the offload was really on) so when Diack went to ground, Zebo was a fraction of a second late at the ruck and the ball was turned over.
I agree that Joe's style is if you keep on generating quick ball, sooner or later you will score, rather than hoping that a line break or an offload will result in a score.
Zebo is a fecktard
Ball greedy wunkbag
Disgusting at the photo, useless on the pitch.
He needs to sort his life out, seriously disrespectful to everyone who has ever worn the number 11
mikerob wrote:Offloads in 2014 6 nations:
France 84
England 64
Italy 49
Wales 47
Scotland 45
Ireland 27
Ireland's game may develop but right now, it definitely isn't an offloading team.
In my eyes there are 2 types of offload, the bog standard one which opposition can read and generally makes a meter but not a clean break and the much harder to execute properly is the type Cave and a few others prefer in drawing defence out of line and sending a runner through which is far harder to set up and execute properly as it is a matter of 2 or 3 players reading when it is on, you only get a few chances like that per match and half of them seem to finish in a try. That is Joes style from what I noticed with both Leinster and Ireland and is the means by both score their trys, the quick rucks are just a means of setting up the mismatches and opportunities to carry it out.
An interesting stat would be the percentage of those offloads that lead directly to trys, I reckon Ireland would have the highest percentage by a big margin.
There are also the offloads that feck up and hand possession over...
In yesterday's game there was at least one non-offload that handed possession over. Diack had the ball but Zebo ran a line as if Diack was going to offload (and I don't think the offload was really on) so when Diack went to ground, Zebo was a fraction of a second late at the ruck and the ball was turned over.
I agree that Joe's style is if you keep on generating quick ball, sooner or later you will score, rather than hoping that a line break or an offload will result in a score.
Zebo is a fecktard
Ball greedy wunkbag
Disgusting at the photo, useless on the pitch.
He needs to sort his life out, seriously disrespectful to everyone who has ever worn the number 11
mikerob wrote:Offloads in 2014 6 nations:
France 84
England 64
Italy 49
Wales 47
Scotland 45
Ireland 27
Ireland's game may develop but right now, it definitely isn't an offloading team.
In my eyes there are 2 types of offload, the bog standard one which opposition can read and generally makes a meter but not a clean break and the much harder to execute properly is the type Cave and a few others prefer in drawing defence out of line and sending a runner through which is far harder to set up and execute properly as it is a matter of 2 or 3 players reading when it is on, you only get a few chances like that per match and half of them seem to finish in a try. That is Joes style from what I noticed with both Leinster and Ireland and is the means by both score their trys, the quick rucks are just a means of setting up the mismatches and opportunities to carry it out.
An interesting stat would be the percentage of those offloads that lead directly to trys, I reckon Ireland would have the highest percentage by a big margin.
There are also the offloads that feck up and hand possession over...
In yesterday's game there was at least one non-offload that handed possession over. Diack had the ball but Zebo ran a line as if Diack was going to offload (and I don't think the offload was really on) so when Diack went to ground, Zebo was a fraction of a second late at the ruck and the ball was turned over.
I agree that Joe's style is if you keep on generating quick ball, sooner or later you will score, rather than hoping that a line break or an offload will result in a score.
Zebo is a fecktard
Ball greedy wunkbag
Disgusting at the photo, useless on the pitch.
He needs to sort his life out, seriously disrespectful to everyone who has ever worn the number 11
mikerob wrote:Offloads in 2014 6 nations:
France 84
England 64
Italy 49
Wales 47
Scotland 45
Ireland 27
Ireland's game may develop but right now, it definitely isn't an offloading team.
In my eyes there are 2 types of offload, the bog standard one which opposition can read and generally makes a meter but not a clean break and the much harder to execute properly is the type Cave and a few others prefer in drawing defence out of line and sending a runner through which is far harder to set up and execute properly as it is a matter of 2 or 3 players reading when it is on, you only get a few chances like that per match and half of them seem to finish in a try. That is Joes style from what I noticed with both Leinster and Ireland and is the means by both score their trys, the quick rucks are just a means of setting up the mismatches and opportunities to carry it out.
An interesting stat would be the percentage of those offloads that lead directly to trys, I reckon Ireland would have the highest percentage by a big margin.
There are also the offloads that feck up and hand possession over...
In yesterday's game there was at least one non-offload that handed possession over. Diack had the ball but Zebo ran a line as if Diack was going to offload (and I don't think the offload was really on) so when Diack went to ground, Zebo was a fraction of a second late at the ruck and the ball was turned over.
I agree that Joe's style is if you keep on generating quick ball, sooner or later you will score, rather than hoping that a line break or an offload will result in a score.
Zebo is a fecktard
Ball greedy wunkbag
Disgusting at the photo, useless on the pitch.
He needs to sort his life out, seriously disrespectful to everyone who has ever worn the number 11
So disgusting he said it twice!
If it would have let me, i would have posted it more
