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Re: Lions 2021

Post by Cockatrice » Sun May 09, 2021 11:27 pm

Strangely I didn’t see Sinclair’s TV I didn’t throw my toys out of the pram breakdown as anything more than a pathetic whinging Ashton think he has a god given right to be on that plane …
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Re: Lions 2021

Post by Bobbievee » Mon May 10, 2021 12:00 am

Cockatrice wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 11:27 pm
Strangely I didn’t see Sinclair’s TV I didn’t throw my toys out of the pram breakdown as anything more than a pathetic whinging Ashton think he has a god given right to be on that plane …
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Re: Lions 2021

Post by Dave » Mon May 10, 2021 8:04 am

Lord Sinckler clearly has a very high opinion of himself and doesn't take disappointment too well.
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Re: Lions 2021

Post by solidarity » Mon May 10, 2021 7:08 pm

If you haven't seen it, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSG-oH4WNqU

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Re: Lions 2021

Post by Lurgan Lad » Mon May 10, 2021 7:12 pm

Porter and Furlong was the right choice, both appear to be top professionals that do their job and do it outstandingly well. The centres do appear to be an interesting one at first glance, suspect the initial plan is to have Farrell there and pretty much just kick for position and try to get the forwards to win it. Can't imagine it is going to be pretty.

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Re: Lions 2021

Post by Dave » Mon May 10, 2021 8:26 pm

I think they have gone for the bigger men. Zander Fagerson is a big unit too. He offers plenty around the park.
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Re: Lions 2021

Post by Snipe Watson » Mon May 10, 2021 9:18 pm

Big men are important, but I recall the demolition job Paul Wallace and Tom Smith did on Oz Durant and co.

I don't mind Sinclair's reaction. He cares which is kind of important and as an individual he has come a long way since the last tour.

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Re: Lions 2021

Post by jean valjean » Mon May 10, 2021 9:43 pm

Always remember the mouthful sexton and farrell gave sinclair after he was gloating at the end of the 2nd test. I am sure things like that don't go unnoticed by management and the 6-8 weeks in a bubble will mean tubes will not be tolerated.

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Re: Lions 2021

Post by Bart S » Mon May 10, 2021 9:57 pm

Most people would have had him in their expected squad. He’s rightly disappointed and emotional and was just very open and honest about how he is trying to deal with the disappointment. Nothing wrong with that. Whether people think he should have been picked or not I see nothing wrong with this interview as most of it is about how he felt and about coping with disappointment.

Of course there was a former Ulster centre who threw his toys out of the pram and whinged and gurned about not being selected for Ireland, saying his face didn’t fit, but that was different.....

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Re: Lions 2021

Post by Dave » Mon May 10, 2021 11:23 pm

Gatland probably still has a grudge after he got arrested on the last tour. Poor potty mouth Kyle. Keep crying.
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Re: Lions 2021

Post by Jackie Brown » Tue May 11, 2021 6:06 pm

Bart S wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 9:57 pm
Most people would have had him in their expected squad. He’s rightly disappointed and emotional and was just very open and honest about how he is trying to deal with the disappointment. Nothing wrong with that. Whether people think he should have been picked or not I see nothing wrong with this interview as most of it is about how he felt and about coping with disappointment.

Of course there was a former Ulster centre who threw his toys out of the pram and whinged and gurned about not being selected for Ireland, saying his face didn’t fit, but that was different.....
Any difference between a one off tour every 4yrs and regularly getting overlooked for your country in favour of playing other guys out of position?
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Re: Lions 2021

Post by Dave » Tue May 11, 2021 7:25 pm

Cave always claims it he was taken out of context by the D4 meeja as he was having a pop at them. He phoned Joe to clear things up. It didn't change things.
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Re: Lions 2021

Post by Bart S » Tue May 11, 2021 7:56 pm

Sinckler didn’t suggest there was anything “unfair” in his non selection and had the good grace to wish those picked all the best.He has missed out on what for players remains the biggest accolade in terms of selection and what he described as the best experience of his life in 2017......minus the arrest presumably!

The fact that Cave went on in later years to say how great it was to work with Joe Schmidt and how Jared Payne was a better player than him was maybe refreshingly honest, but does take away from his original gripe.

I’m no great fan of Sinckler (though I do think he’s a good player and should have been picked) and I don’t get all of the hype around the interview but it’s pretty clear that it’s not an ego trip on his part and his intentions with the words he said were pretty commendable in my opinion. He has been very open about working with a mental health mentor in more recent times and how that has helped him cope with the disappointment. Fair play to him I say.

Both Cave and Sinckler were passionate in their own ways and expressed disappointment with good reason IMHO. I certainly don’t think Sinckler’s disappointment and reaction was any less justified than Cave’s though.

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Re: Lions 2021

Post by justinr73 » Tue May 11, 2021 8:46 pm

I don’t disagree with any of the above but I’d have been more impressed if Sinckler had gone on to tell the kids that getting arrested and being sent off for swearing at the ref aren’t the best ways to go about achieving your career goals.

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Re: Lions 2021

Post by Bart S » Tue May 11, 2021 9:10 pm

Dave wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 7:25 pm
Cave always claims it he was taken out of context by the D4 meeja as he was having a pop at them. He phoned Joe to clear things up. It didn't change things.
The one thing I never understood was why Joe took him to the world cup in 2015 and then didnt play him when the centres got injured. If he wasnt going to play him when the other centres were injured then he should have picked a utility back instead who could cover centre. He could easily have left him at home in the 1st place.

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