Dave wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:04 am
You can't count to 6?
It's a competition not fit for purpose. Only six competitors. One team lose every game. 4 trophies on offer. Foreign players representing other nations.
Jokeshop.
There are a lot more if you're Scots. Calcutta, Quaitch, Auld Alliance, Doddie Weir ... If you can't win anything significant just make up a new wan. In fact the only team that doesn't currently warrant a tin cup is Italy. Maybe the Tunnocks Chewy Caramel Wafer trophy will soon rival the Garibaldi Buscuit Cup in Italian rugby.
I'm launching a new 6N trophy this year. The inaugural Negative Triple Crown which Engerland and Ireland will do battle for in a fitting climax to this year's competition.
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"The referee clearly says ‘Time on’, so then Biggar is quite entitled to do what he does quickly.
But I think Owen Farrell’s point here is correct.
If you are asking the captain to speak to his team, I certainly wouldn’t restart time until I have given them time to line up in defence.
The only reason they are in a huddle under the posts is you have told the captain to speak to his players and he puts time off for them to do that.
So, you can’t put time back on then while they are still in the huddle.
You are not giving them the time to line up to defend. It’s an unfair advantage.
I would have allowed them to reset before I put time on. It’s only fair that you do that because you have asked them to go in the huddle in the first place.”
“It was definitely a knock on,” he said, elaborating on the points he made on S4C.
You see situations sometimes where a player loses control of a ball and then kicks it before it hits the ground. Well, that’s still classed as a knock on.
What the law says is if a player loses control of the ball forward, he must regain possession of it before it touches the ground or anybody else.
So, in this case, Rees-Zammit definitely touches the ball and it travels forward on to his calf, then goes backwards and then comes off an England player.
So it has travelled forward off his hand first and he fails to regain possession of it, which means it’s a knock on.
If it hits his hand and goes backwards, then it’s play on.
But it hits his hand, the ball is still travelling forward and then it hits his calf and goes backwards.
So, in law, he loses control of the ball forward and then fails to regain possession of it before it touches the ground or anybody else, so it’s a knock on.
If anybody wants an answer on it, look at Rees-Zammit’s face when they award the try.It’s 100 per cent a knock on.
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big mervyn wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:18 am
Regarding the "knock-on", it's surprising how many players and so-called experts don't know the basic laws of the game. Must say, Liam did remarkably well a. to play on and more importantly b. to retain control of the ball.
Anyway, it's all swings and roundabouts, and the first one effectively cancels out Jonny May's illegal try against Italy.
The wording of the law on knock ons doesn't mention knocking on to your own leg. It talks about losing control of the ball and it hitting the ground. He didn't regain control therefore it was a knock on. His leg should have been a non factor.
big mervyn wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:18 am
Regarding the "knock-on", it's surprising how many players and so-called experts don't know the basic laws of the game. Must say, Liam did remarkably well a. to play on and more importantly b. to retain control of the ball.
Anyway, it's all swings and roundabouts, and the first one effectively cancels out Jonny May's illegal try against Italy.
The wording of the law on knock ons doesn't mention knocking on to your own leg. It talks about losing control of the ball and it hitting the ground. He didn't regain control therefore it was a knock on. His leg should have been a non factor.
Nigel agrees with you. .He must be extremely popular with the International Refs Union these days!
A bit concerning that an international ref, asst. ref and TMO couldn't work it out. That law may require a wee bit of clarification
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big mervyn wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 9:18 am
Regarding the "knock-on", it's surprising how many players and so-called experts don't know the basic laws of the game. Must say, Liam did remarkably well a. to play on and more importantly b. to retain control of the ball.
Anyway, it's all swings and roundabouts, and the first one effectively cancels out Jonny May's illegal try against Italy.
The wording of the law on knock ons doesn't mention knocking on to your own leg. It talks about losing control of the ball and it hitting the ground. He didn't regain control therefore it was a knock on. His leg should have been a non factor.
Nigel agrees with you. .He must be extremely popular with the International Refs Union these days!
A bit concerning that an international ref, asst. ref and TMO couldn't work it out. That law may require a wee bit of clarification
I think clarification is in order.
Hendy's non try and the other Welsh try need looked at to. As does May's dive over the tackle against Italy. The TMOs need to do their jobs properly and give the ref proper guidance. If this is the premier rugby tournament in the world, it needs to be properly officiated.
Can someone please elucidate on Henderson's disallowed try. I have watched the incident three times now and cannot see the 'loss of control' ?
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Setanta wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:14 pm
Can someone please elucidate on Henderson's disallowed try. I have watched the incident three times now and cannot see the 'loss of control' ?
Regarding the kick - the referee having told the captain to talk to his players should allow the side to ready before blowing play having failed to do so he should have blown again to allow them time to get ready .
But having failed to stop play the had to stand because Wales had played to the whistle .
Farrells mistake was to run and try to prevent the try a hey ref would have served better to show they weren’t ready .
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My consideration of the "knock-on is similar to the above ' assume a player taps the ball forward with his hand juggles and then plays the ball backwards with his hand ,before it touches the ground is it a knock on --- ie to be a knock on the ball must continue to go forward before it touches the ground if going backwards it is not a knock-on regardless of non control .
A further example would be the full back catching a ball fails to do so cleanly but the ball goes backwards not forwards it is not a knock but he hasn't control of the ball.
ie the it is the direction of the ball is heading before it touches the ground defines the knock on or forward pass.
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In fact the only team that doesn't currently warrant a tin cup is Italy. Maybe the Tunnocks Chewy Caramel Wafer trophy will soon rival the Garibaldi Buscuit Cup in Italian rugby.
