President Martin
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President Martin
What if Martin gets voted in as the south's president?
I have never been a fan of even the current incumbent being wheeled out at the start of Internationals, I would be particularly unimpressed with Martin being wheeled out.
Should the tradition be suspended given his background? Should players be allowed to opt out of having to shake hands with him?
Thoughts and comments please.
I have never been a fan of even the current incumbent being wheeled out at the start of Internationals, I would be particularly unimpressed with Martin being wheeled out.
Should the tradition be suspended given his background? Should players be allowed to opt out of having to shake hands with him?
Thoughts and comments please.
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Gee if only there had been a thread discussing the Irish presidency on this forum already...blandy wrote:What if Martin gets voted in as the south's president?
I have never been a fan of even the current incumbent being wheeled out at the start of Internationals, I would be particularly unimpressed with Martin being wheeled out.
Should the tradition be suspended given his background? Should players be allowed to opt out of having to shake hands with him?
Thoughts and comments please.
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It would be completely inappropriate for players to refuse to shake hands with any head of state they are publically introduced to. For the same reasons players don't make fun of the Haka or talk amongst themselves during the opposition's anthems. There's something called manners and protocol that the players are meant to uphold once they pull on a green jersey to represent Ireland. The idea that a player representing Ireland should be allowed to pubnlically snub the President of Ireland is ridiculous
Remember this; it's not the person protocol demands you respect, it's the office they hold.
Remember this; it's not the person protocol demands you respect, it's the office they hold.
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Re: President Martin
Would Henry Olonga and Andy Flower shake Mugabe's hand? I'd understand them if they chose not to...I digress. Just a thought.notj wrote:It would be completely inappropriate for players to refuse to shake hands with any head of state they are publically introduced to.
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You would understand the action but as notj says, it is a convention not a matter matter of showing support or for that matter disapproval.theCloudSpotter wrote:Would Henry Olonga and Andy Flower shake Mugabe's hand? I'd understand them if they chose not to...I digress. Just a thought.notj wrote:It would be completely inappropriate for players to refuse to shake hands with any head of state they are publically introduced to.
I'm sure like me you have often shaken hands with someone you would prefer to slap.
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I'm not sure about this - it's a bit of a moral cop-out, is it not? It follows (and I am aware that I'm about to fall foul of Gadwin's law ) that while Hitler was head of state of Germany up until 1945, protocol would oblige you to shake his hand if you met him to 'respect his office'?notj wrote:It would be completely inappropriate for players to refuse to shake hands with any head of state they are publically introduced to. For the same reasons players don't make fun of the Haka or talk amongst themselves during the opposition's anthems. There's something called manners and protocol that the players are meant to uphold once they pull on a green jersey to represent Ireland. The idea that a player representing Ireland should be allowed to pubnlically snub the President of Ireland is ridiculous
Remember this; it's not the person protocol demands you respect, it's the office they hold.
I'll be honest - I wouldn't shake McGuinness's hand (and I'm no unionist)
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Re: President Martin
I've shaken Marty's hand back when he was education minister, didn't agree with his politics it was just a matter of protocol, the sky didn't open up, I didn't suddenly become a shinner, really nothing strange happened.
As it happens he has a decent handshake and not one of those limp slimy fishlike ones that I always associate with weak minded stab you in the back type guys.
As it happens he has a decent handshake and not one of those limp slimy fishlike ones that I always associate with weak minded stab you in the back type guys.
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David Norris is goona run and win so there.
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Any relation to Chuck ?HwoodMike2umate wrote:David Norris is goona run and win so there.
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you need to keep a solid grip on an AK-47Rooster wrote:As it happens he has a decent handshake and not one of those limp slimy fishlike ones that I always associate with weak minded stab you in the back type guys.
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lolSnipe Watson wrote:you need to keep a solid grip on an AK-47Rooster wrote:As it happens he has a decent handshake and not one of those limp slimy fishlike ones that I always associate with weak minded stab you in the back type guys.
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Could be Snipe, then again that could be preferable to what some of the others like to keep a solid grip onSnipe Watson wrote:you need to keep a solid grip on an AK-47Rooster wrote:As it happens he has a decent handshake and not one of those limp slimy fishlike ones that I always associate with weak minded stab you in the back type guys.
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It's going to difficult to call....
Norris - Doesn't know what way to turn.
Dana - You could have all kinds of everything.
Marty - Will blow the opposition away........
Norris - Doesn't know what way to turn.
Dana - You could have all kinds of everything.
Marty - Will blow the opposition away........
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I personally couldn't shake hands with someone with such a bad working knowledge of English grammar.
Every time Marty says "I done things I wasn't proud of" it makes me want to box his ears. Does anyone here speak shin, I'd love to know if Marty's Irish is as poor as his English? I mean do regular viewers of TG4 bang their heads off walls when Marty gets up till give a wee speech in his mor tongue?
I shook Richard Harris' hand once ... yes indeed that man can caress the language, well he could until he died.
Every time Marty says "I done things I wasn't proud of" it makes me want to box his ears. Does anyone here speak shin, I'd love to know if Marty's Irish is as poor as his English? I mean do regular viewers of TG4 bang their heads off walls when Marty gets up till give a wee speech in his mor tongue?
I shook Richard Harris' hand once ... yes indeed that man can caress the language, well he could until he died.
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