Not quite what I said, but nice try.Dave wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:55 pmSo we can't condemn the slave traders? OK. That's your opinion. You're very entitled to it.Cap'n Grumpy wrote:Slavery was not grand - nor was shooting animals for fun. I have no hesitation in stating that straight up. What I do find hard to do is condemn people for conforming to the attitudes and norms of society for the period in which they lived.
Slavery existed since the beginning of human times - it was not started by a few Europeans sending Africans to Europe and the Americas. Actually, the ones most guilty of that were other Africans selling slaves to the Europeans for transportation, but we're getting off topic here.
As I say, slavery has existed for millennia, but it took until a few hundred years ago for most to change their minds on the morality of that.It took years of re-educating to get to where we are now. Of course some took longer to get there than others - that was often because they stood to lose money by its abolition. Indeed there are still some cultures that don't see too much wrong with slavery.
None of that makes slavery right, but we have the benefit of hindsight and modern ethics to come to that decision. Others in centuries past did not have that and merely conformed to the accepted norm of the time. Does that make it right? No, of course not, but should we condemn them for conforming to accepted practices? I don't think so.
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If this is how the beeb covers a lowly sort of royal, just imagine how it will be when Trevor Brennan joins the underground.
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The very worst aspects of the holocaust were not common knowledge.Jackie Brown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:54 pmI don't think the Holocaust was ever grand.Snipe Watson wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:34 pmWise up Dave, why not throw in the Holocaust for good measure. Hardly comparing apples with apples.
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Aye it's easy to look back on it through rose tinted lenses.BR wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:00 amThe very worst aspects of the holocaust were not common knowledge.Jackie Brown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:54 pmI don't think the Holocaust was ever grand.Snipe Watson wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:34 pmWise up Dave, why not throw in the Holocaust for good measure. Hardly comparing apples with apples.
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A good time was had by all.big mervyn wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:40 amAye it's easy to look back on it through rose tinted lenses.BR wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:00 amThe very worst aspects of the holocaust were not common knowledge.Jackie Brown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:54 pmI don't think the Holocaust was ever grand.Snipe Watson wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:34 pmWise up Dave, why not throw in the Holocaust for good measure. Hardly comparing apples with apples.
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Long before the Africans the Vikings were the leading slavers of western Europe and one of the biggest markets was Dublin
But back to Topic me I prefer to live with what I consider" A Benign Monarchy " where the forces of Law and Order are supposedly accountable to the Crown rather than the Leader of the Government of the Day who could be the biggest and worstest despot money can impose on you.
Philip was what maybe considered a wise man with a foolish mouth just waiting for the disrespectful to exploit
Its a shame he never got a telegram from his wife
But back to Topic me I prefer to live with what I consider" A Benign Monarchy " where the forces of Law and Order are supposedly accountable to the Crown rather than the Leader of the Government of the Day who could be the biggest and worstest despot money can impose on you.
Philip was what maybe considered a wise man with a foolish mouth just waiting for the disrespectful to exploit
Its a shame he never got a telegram from his wife
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Approx 40% of the founding population of Iceland were Irish slaves.rumncoke wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:34 pm Long before the Africans the Vikings were the leading slavers of western Europe and one of the biggest markets was Dublin
But back to Topic me I prefer to live with what I consider" A Benign Monarchy " where the forces of Law and Order are supposedly accountable to the Crown rather than the Leader of the Government of the Day who could be the biggest and worstest despot money can impose on you.
Philip was what maybe considered a wise man with a foolish mouth just waiting for the disrespectful to exploit
Its a shame he never got a telegram from his wife
There is a very high incidence of red hair in Iceland.
What if the worstest despot IS the monarch? No redress there.
No. All you obsequious Royal sycophants should try and have a bit of self respect and stop bending the knee to such a ludicrous family. If we didn't have a Royal Family most of you would never vote for one.
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Greed, wilful ignorance and blind indifference for others have a lot to answer for. We live in a world where for the most part these things are not as blatantly flaunted or they are expressed differently. However in reality in some corners of the world, including our corner, life is every bit as harsh as it ever was and countless people are still enslaved and treated abysmally. We like to think we live in an enlightened age and to an extent we do, as far as we can see, but don't look behind the curtain.
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Not sure I'm an obsequious royal sycophant or not - I judge each of them on their actions and some of them I have some respect for, some I have no respect for.big mervyn wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:46 pm All you obsequious Royal sycophants should try and have a bit of self respect and stop bending the knee to such a ludicrous family.
What I will tell ye for nothing is that when I was outvoted by the Grumpy family and made to wait and see HM and HRH her consort, they stood in front of me just a few feet away and I didn't bend the knee to either of them and I persuaded my family that we had better things to do than hang around there gawping.
Am I an obsequious sycophant? For the sake of my self-respect, I need to know!
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So wot yer sayin is that 60% of the founding population were Scots?big mervyn wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:46 pm
Approx 40% of the founding population of Iceland were Irish slaves.
There is a very high incidence of red hair in Iceland.
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You're bending the knee by tolerating their status.Cap'n Grumpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:52 pmNot sure I'm an obsequious royal sycophant or not - I judge each of them on their actions and some of them I have some respect for, some I have no respect for.big mervyn wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:46 pm All you obsequious Royal sycophants should try and have a bit of self respect and stop bending the knee to such a ludicrous family.
What I will tell ye for nothing is that when I was outvoted by the Grumpy family and made to wait and see HM and HRH her consort, they stood in front of me just a few feet away and I didn't bend the knee to either of them and I persuaded my family that we had better things to do than hang around there gawping.
Am I an obsequious sycophant? For the sake of my self-respect, I need to know!
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I tolerate their status the same as you do.big mervyn wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:16 pmYou're bending the knee by tolerating their status.Cap'n Grumpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:52 pmNot sure I'm an obsequious royal sycophant or not - I judge each of them on their actions and some of them I have some respect for, some I have no respect for.big mervyn wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:46 pm All you obsequious Royal sycophants should try and have a bit of self respect and stop bending the knee to such a ludicrous family.
What I will tell ye for nothing is that when I was outvoted by the Grumpy family and made to wait and see HM and HRH her consort, they stood in front of me just a few feet away and I didn't bend the knee to either of them and I persuaded my family that we had better things to do than hang around there gawping.
Am I an obsequious sycophant? For the sake of my self-respect, I need to know!
Yapping about them and criticising now and again ain't gonna get you your republic, other than that for both of us they have no day to day relevance.
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You tell him Grumps.Cap'n Grumpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:44 pmI tolerate their status the same as you do.big mervyn wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:16 pmYou're bending the knee by tolerating their status.Cap'n Grumpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:52 pmNot sure I'm an obsequious royal sycophant or not - I judge each of them on their actions and some of them I have some respect for, some I have no respect for.big mervyn wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:46 pm All you obsequious Royal sycophants should try and have a bit of self respect and stop bending the knee to such a ludicrous family.
What I will tell ye for nothing is that when I was outvoted by the Grumpy family and made to wait and see HM and HRH her consort, they stood in front of me just a few feet away and I didn't bend the knee to either of them and I persuaded my family that we had better things to do than hang around there gawping.
Am I an obsequious sycophant? For the sake of my self-respect, I need to know!
Yapping about them and criticising now and again ain't gonna get you your republic, other than that for both of us they have no day to day relevance.
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Baroness Shirley Williams. A legendary figure of liberal working class common sense.
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Yes, an impressive lady. RIP Shirley.