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We can't fall off the Dover cliffs though, and falling off Fair Head would bring us nearer to Scotland and without a bridge how do we get across to fall off an English cliff ?Dave wrote:Arlene will take NI off a cliff as long as it's the same cliff England fall off.
The metaphorical cliffs of Brexitonia. It's ok though, the milk and honey will break our fall. It's a wonderful place.Rooster wrote:We can't fall off the Dover cliffs though, and falling off Fair Head would bring us nearer to Scotland and without a bridge how do we get across to fall off an English cliff ?Dave wrote:Arlene will take NI off a cliff as long as it's the same cliff England fall off.
The biggest handicap the DUP has to contend with is its inability to handle political nuance or ambiguity. It may have something to do with the Party's Free P core, which sees the world in terms of biblical certainties in which there is no space for doubt or wriggle-room; if the Bible says that God created the world in 6 days, then that's what happened. If it says that Methuselah was a 1000 years old, then that's how old he was. In the Bible, right is right and everything else is the work of the devil. The DUP seems to look for the same kind of clarity and certainty in its political agreements. Thus, the Brexit backstop is unacceptable, because it hints at a status for NI which is slightly less than crystal clear, a status which is not quite part of the EU, but also not 100% part of the UK. It doesn't matter about the economic or political benefits of such a deal -and I agree with your assessment that it would've made the union more secure. The DUP wants exactly the same deal as the rest of the UK, end of story. The same approach saw the Party reject the Belfast Agreement, a work of creative ambiguity, even though it carried with it the prospect of peace, stability and, in many people's opinion, the copper-fastening of the union. Over and over again the DUP displays a remarkable talent for seeing defeat in a situation in which a more sophisticated analysis would see huge victories.Amiga500 wrote:The biggest irony in it all is, if Arlene had 2 brain cells to rub together - she'd have negotiated a deal where this place was best of both worlds (in fact, this was the deal that was on offer about 18 months ago that she rejected out of hand).
It would have secured the economy of this place, the UK and with it, NI's place within the union - as no economic floating vote would have backed a UI - as is clearly visible on this thread, folks pay more attention to whether they can put food on the table as opposed to the colour of the flag on buildings occupied by a bunch of pricks. The union would have been secured for several generations.
Instead, the DUP are forcing things to a situation where there realistically *could* be a border poll within 12 months.
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EUnionists eh. Next a small minority of them will organise marches passing anywhere sporting a UK Flag and playing fecking Ode to joy on their flutes. Ya couldn't be up to them.CIMANFOREVER wrote:
Flip flop, eh? "Im a unionist, but" ... Pffft . No wonders Shinners smell blood.
Quote of the month Shan, hats offShan wrote:EUnionists eh. Next a small minority of them will organise marches passing anywhere sporting a UK Flag and playing fecking Ode to joy on their flutes. Ya couldn't be up to them.CIMANFOREVER wrote:
Flip flop, eh? "Im a unionist, but" ... Pffft . No wonders Shinners smell blood.
(I say friends... )If there was ever a case for a border poll it's now. Same goes for the Scots.CIMANFOREVER wrote:Great to see the GAA push the boundaries for more Unionist/ Praddesent inclusivity like their OO brothers and sisters... Did Brolley ever tell you the time he bantered wor Jackie McDonald just to prove hes nat sectarian?.. Jackie was up for a UI said Joe never...
I thought Jarlath had a bit more sense tbh.
But I thought the GAA is a sporting organisation and not political? hmmm.CIMANFOREVER wrote:Great to see the GAA push the boundaries for more Unionist/ Praddesent inclusivity like their OO brothers and sisters... Did Brolley ever tell you the time he bantered wor Jackie McDonald just to prove hes nat sectarian?.. Jackie was up for a UI said Joe never...
I thought Jarlath had a bit more sense tbh.
The GAA has made no comment on any proposed border poll or on the larger Brexit subject. One or two GAA members, who have no authority, have suggested that the GAA should involve itself in a debate about a border poll. I don't agree with them and hope the GAA stays out of it. If the GAA gets involved CIMAN would have a valid point. What he currently has is a bit of whinging based on something he thinks, for no known valid reason, could happen.jean valjean wrote:But I thought the GAA is a sporting organisation and not political? hmmm.
