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horslips wrote: Sun May 10, 2020 1:57 pm I have been looking at the daily data both locally, UK and on Worldometers. I am puzzled as to why the UK data from the Worldometers database looks to be completely at odds with more or less every other country.
Firstly for a number of weeks the daily death toll has a definite tendency to spike up on a Tuesday. Why - is this just sloppy reporting of the data?

Secondly its clearly obvious that the UK curve is markedly different to any other nation. While there could be valid concerns over reporting methods it seems that using Germany as a bench mark other nations bar the UK follow the same trends. I know at the outset it was a target to flatten the curve and while that seems to have happened it does look like the strategy is flawed insomuch as it seems to be failing to bring the virus under control.

I see no basis to make any change to current lockdown measures either this week end or indeed possibly for another 6 weeks. It will be several years before virologists and diesase experts write up their papers detailing their analysis of Covid but I fully expect a litany of flawed and confused decision making to be revealed.
The weekly spike on Tuesday is due to a delay in registering deaths that occurred over the weekend.
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What a load of waffle that broadcast last might was by the PM.
Very little content or clarity and the graphics used were frankly embarrassing.
How anyone watching that could,at the end, say good job Boris is totally beyond me.
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Going tp be fun watching Lahndahn "getting back to work".
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Basically the problem is one for each company to work out the government can't dictate who works when . Thus some jobs in a bank can done in a night shift and some can only be done during the day and some can be done at home.

Son in Law works in a bank has never stopped -- working at home, his problem is he doesn't have an Office at home.
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The message on sunday night around returning to work, whilst also saying avoid public transport and that workplaces needed to adopt social distancing measures.....all by monday morning, was pretty poor to be honest. Also, why do people have to wait until wednesday fir the exercise rules to be lifted? I would have thought prep for that would be a lot less than the return to work!

Arlene, Nicola and the welsh guy will have learnt from this and i’d expect them to be much better prepared when announcing the lifting if any restrictions.

At least Boris didn’t go all Donald on us and tell us how great a job his administration had done and how wonderful everything is going to be,
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Fintan wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 8:14 am What a load of waffle that broadcast last might was by the PM.
Very little content or clarity and the graphics used were frankly embarrassing.
How anyone watching that could,at the end, say good job Boris is totally beyond me.
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I agree that the broadcast was a mistake. But,
remember that 50% of the population are below average mentality, and teachers have to deliver information at a pace that
even the slowest learners understand. Given some of the gatherings in certain parts of Belfast over the weekend, I despair at the ability of some folks to understand the message as it is. Maybe being spotted deliberately flouting distancing and staying at home rules should carry a mandatory DNR classification should they or any of their family fall ill?
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And I also should have said Derry
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Just a wonder - regarding death toll of the over 75s how many were D.N.R. marked and was that interpreted to include no mechanical life support systems including ventilators .
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rumncoke wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 12:06 pm Just a wonder - regarding death toll of the over 75s how many were D.N.R. marked and was that interpreted to include no mechanical life support systems including ventilators .
DNR does mean no ventilator under the current NHS guidelines.
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Do not resuscitate. Very bad and dangerous if done without informing the family!
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From what I hear from reliable sources, the current lockdown changes were essentially put in place by four government spads, without major consultations with Public Health England. I guess that, despite the rhetoric, economic considerations were dominant. Of course, economic considerations are important but the HS2 fiasco ( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52695156 ) doesn't give me much confidence in the Tory government's ability to deliver, when when working hand in hand with business.
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Solids

That post lives up to the implications of your name your b/sh!t .

H2S is being delivered by civil servants not the Tory Government it was originally proposed ??/approved by a Labour Government -- but like all things proposed by civil servants the originally estimates were seriously underestimated -- and the Underestimates inflate exponentially with time and the problems not recognised or ignored at the time of the original decision.

Why would Northern Ireland have to Consult Public Health in England -- the Public Health in Northern Ireland apply the same models to a different set of statistics -- does it really matter whether it Spads Civil Servants or Politicians draw up the plans . the fact is we are still basically in lockdown .

The Luddites who think you can turn back the clock to a time before motor transport have of course risen in full glory.
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rumncoke wrote: Sun May 17, 2020 3:44 pm Solids

That post lives up to the implications of your name your b/sh!t .

H2S is being delivered by civil servants not the Tory Government it was originally proposed ??/approved by a Labour Government -- but like all things proposed by civil servants the originally estimates were seriously underestimated -- and the Underestimates inflate exponentially with time and the problems not recognised or ignored at the time of the original decision.

Why would Northern Ireland have to Consult Public Health in England -- the Public Health in Northern Ireland apply the same models to a different set of statistics -- does it really matter whether it Spads Civil Servants or Politicians draw up the plans . the fact is we are still basically in lockdown .

The Luddites who think you can turn back the clock to a time before motor transport have of course risen in full glory.

HS2 was indeed started by Labour but has been overseen by the Tories for the past decade. I'll grant you that the civil servants who are involved have not covered themselves with glory but my point is that a Tory government has a natural affinity with business and is less likely to hold commercial interests to account. A socialist government should live in tension with business and bring about a better balance. Having said that, the last Labour government hardly carried the brightest torch for socialism. Anyway, that's a side issue, sorry I introduced it.

I wasn't talking about Stormont, I was thinking about Westminster. Spads there are just as much an issue as they are here.
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