Coronavirus 2020 - What can I do?

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Re: Coronavirus 2020 - What can I do?

Post by Evil Kiwi » Sun May 03, 2020 12:09 pm

Kofi Annan wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 10:20 am
Jackie Brown wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 5:20 pm
Chances are a vaccine will provide immunity for a finite length of time. Then you'll need a booster. Idea may be like Smallpox, roll out a vaccine worldwide and wipe the fecker out.
Is that your medical opinion ?

SARS 2003: Still no vaccine. MERS 2012: Still no vaccine. Herd immunity is the way out but the public don’t want to hear it.
SARS and MERS were both brought under control through the normal means of isolating those infected and contact tracing. There is no real effort to find a vaccination outside the effected regions. There are currently 50+, I think at the last count, different agencies across the globe developing and trialling a potential vaccine for this novel coronavirus. I think it is reasonable to have hope that one of these will hit the jackpot.

Herd immunity is not a strategy or way out it is an end goal that requires a working vaccine. Not only that, vaccination uptake must be reasonably high. We have vaccines for other diseases such as the measels, which is seeing a resurgence due to recent decreases in vaccination uptake.

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Re: Coronavirus 2020 - What can I do?

Post by Kofi Annan » Sun May 03, 2020 2:12 pm

Evil Kiwi wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 12:09 pm
Kofi Annan wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 10:20 am
Jackie Brown wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 5:20 pm
Chances are a vaccine will provide immunity for a finite length of time. Then you'll need a booster. Idea may be like Smallpox, roll out a vaccine worldwide and wipe the fecker out.
Is that your medical opinion ?

SARS 2003: Still no vaccine. MERS 2012: Still no vaccine. Herd immunity is the way out but the public don’t want to hear it.
SARS and MERS were both brought under control through the normal means of isolating those infected and contact tracing. There is no real effort to find a vaccination outside the effected regions. There are currently 50+, I think at the last count, different agencies across the globe developing and trialling a potential vaccine for this novel coronavirus. I think it is reasonable to have hope that one of these will hit the jackpot.

Herd immunity is not a strategy or way out it is an end goal that requires a working vaccine. Not only that, vaccination uptake must be reasonably high. We have vaccines for other diseases such as the measels, which is seeing a resurgence due to recent decreases in vaccination uptake.
So we live in hope while world economy crashes, cool.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 - What can I do?

Post by Evil Kiwi » Sun May 03, 2020 2:32 pm

Kofi Annan wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 2:12 pm
Evil Kiwi wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 12:09 pm
Kofi Annan wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 10:20 am
Jackie Brown wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 5:20 pm
Chances are a vaccine will provide immunity for a finite length of time. Then you'll need a booster. Idea may be like Smallpox, roll out a vaccine worldwide and wipe the fecker out.
Is that your medical opinion ?

SARS 2003: Still no vaccine. MERS 2012: Still no vaccine. Herd immunity is the way out but the public don’t want to hear it.
SARS and MERS were both brought under control through the normal means of isolating those infected and contact tracing. There is no real effort to find a vaccination outside the effected regions. There are currently 50+, I think at the last count, different agencies across the globe developing and trialling a potential vaccine for this novel coronavirus. I think it is reasonable to have hope that one of these will hit the jackpot.

Herd immunity is not a strategy or way out it is an end goal that requires a working vaccine. Not only that, vaccination uptake must be reasonably high. We have vaccines for other diseases such as the measels, which is seeing a resurgence due to recent decreases in vaccination uptake.
So we live in hope while world economy crashes, cool.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 - What can I do?

Post by Amiga500 » Mon May 04, 2020 10:31 am

Kofi Annan wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 2:12 pm
Evil Kiwi wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 12:09 pm
Kofi Annan wrote:
Sun May 03, 2020 10:20 am
Jackie Brown wrote:
Sat May 02, 2020 5:20 pm
Chances are a vaccine will provide immunity for a finite length of time. Then you'll need a booster. Idea may be like Smallpox, roll out a vaccine worldwide and wipe the fecker out.
Is that your medical opinion ?

SARS 2003: Still no vaccine. MERS 2012: Still no vaccine. Herd immunity is the way out but the public don’t want to hear it.
SARS and MERS were both brought under control through the normal means of isolating those infected and contact tracing. There is no real effort to find a vaccination outside the effected regions. There are currently 50+, I think at the last count, different agencies across the globe developing and trialling a potential vaccine for this novel coronavirus. I think it is reasonable to have hope that one of these will hit the jackpot.

Herd immunity is not a strategy or way out it is an end goal that requires a working vaccine. Not only that, vaccination uptake must be reasonably high. We have vaccines for other diseases such as the measels, which is seeing a resurgence due to recent decreases in vaccination uptake.
So we live in hope while world economy crashes, cool.
Kiwi is right, SARS (& MERS) were brought under control before the vaccines under development made it beyond clinical trials - most not even making it to clinical trials.

That does not mean no successful vaccines were developed.

List of candidates:
https://www.who.int/blueprint/priority- ... t-sars.pdf

Summary of clinical trial of one of the few that got as far as that before it was rendered unnecessary:
https://www.intmedpress.com/serveFile.c ... 96b8291dea
Results: On day 42, the seroconversion reached 100% for both vaccine groups. On day 56, 100% of participants in the group receiving 16 SU and 91.1% in the group receiving 32 SU had seroconverted. The geometric mean titre of neutralising antibody peaked 2 weeks after the second vaccination, but decreased 4 weeks later.
Conclusion: The inactivated vaccine was safe and well tolerated and can elicit SARS-CoV-specific neutralising antibodies.

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Re: Coronavirus 2020 - What can I do?

Post by Amiga500 » Mon May 04, 2020 12:05 pm

If you want up to date info on the progress toward a vaccine - this will provide as good an impartial informed summary as anywhere:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/05 ... al-trials/

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Re: Coronavirus 2020 - What can I do?

Post by mid ulster maestro » Tue May 05, 2020 8:26 am

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Re: Coronavirus 2020 - What can I do?

Post by big mervyn » Tue May 05, 2020 8:59 am

Amiga500 wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 12:05 pm
If you want up to date info on the progress toward a vaccine - this will provide as good an impartial informed summary as anywhere:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/05 ... al-trials/
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 - What can I do?

Post by Amiga500 » Tue May 05, 2020 2:38 pm

big mervyn wrote:
Tue May 05, 2020 8:59 am
Amiga500 wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 12:05 pm
If you want up to date info on the progress toward a vaccine - this will provide as good an impartial informed summary as anywhere:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/05 ... al-trials/
Administered via a suppository?
:lol:

Supposedly means "Art of Technology" - but yeah - reads as "Brennan technica" too!

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Re: Coronavirus 2020 - What can I do?

Post by mid ulster maestro » Fri May 08, 2020 6:47 am

I watched Arlene and Michelle on the local news yesterday giving their briefing. Is it because Michelle talks twice as fast as everone else that there are two signers for the hard of hearing?
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 - What can I do?

Post by big mervyn » Fri May 08, 2020 7:26 am

mid ulster maestro wrote:
Fri May 08, 2020 6:47 am
I watched Arlene and Michelle on the local news yesterday giving their briefing. Is it because Michelle talks twice as fast as everone else that there are two signers for the hard of hearing?
Themuns and ussuns even have different signs ffs!
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 - What can I do?

Post by rumncoke » Fri May 08, 2020 12:40 pm

But the language being signed is still English but the Irish sign language is more International

It is actually the English sign Language which is out of step and internationally less comprehensive
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 - What can I do?

Post by mid ulster maestro » Fri May 08, 2020 7:51 pm

I see the land of the free has brought in legislation preventing workers from suing their employers for being forced to work in covid rampant meat processing plants. Capitalism as its best.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 - What can I do?

Post by rumncoke » Sun May 10, 2020 1:27 pm

I see the lunatics are thinking every one will revert to bicycles because of coronavirus.

My prediction would be that more will seek to live in rural communities -- fewer boxes in the sky -- and going rural will increase car traffic.

The avoidance of public transport will also increase motor traffic especially in Belfast which has never been a bicycle friendly city too many hills be they steep or long they deter the would be cyclist never mind the use of oneway traffic systems and the necessary lane swapping and the benevolent Ulster weather in winter .

Thirdly to many people who work in Belfast live outside the city. N Down, Lisburn Antrim Saintfield etc

The only possible means of reducing traffic is "work at home" -- but not all occupations lend themselves to that solution.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 - What can I do?

Post by horslips » Sun May 10, 2020 1:57 pm

I have been looking at the daily data both locally, UK and on Worldometers. I am puzzled as to why the UK data from the Worldometers database looks to be completely at odds with more or less every other country.
Firstly for a number of weeks the daily death toll has a definite tendency to spike up on a Tuesday. Why - is this just sloppy reporting of the data?

Secondly its clearly obvious that the UK curve is markedly different to any other nation. While there could be valid concerns over reporting methods it seems that using Germany as a bench mark other nations bar the UK follow the same trends. I know at the outset it was a target to flatten the curve and while that seems to have happened it does look like the strategy is flawed insomuch as it seems to be failing to bring the virus under control.

I see no basis to make any change to current lockdown measures either this week end or indeed possibly for another 6 weeks. It will be several years before virologists and diesase experts write up their papers detailing their analysis of Covid but I fully expect a litany of flawed and confused decision making to be revealed.
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Re: Coronavirus 2020 - What can I do?

Post by Bobbievee » Sun May 10, 2020 2:41 pm

Your analysis and prediction reinforced by today's news that both South Korea and Germany on the climb again, Germany RO back above 1.
Stay home!

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