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scrum5 wrote:
ladyboy696969 wrote:Watch out! The South Africans are coming!
Premiership tempted by taste of Currie after aversion to latest European recipe
Alex Lowe Last updated at 12:01AM, November 23 2013
Premiership Rugby has held talks with the South African Rugby Union (SARU) over the possibility of creating a new tournament for next season that could involve English top-flight clubs and teams from the Currie Cup.
It is very much a contingency plan at present because the English clubs’ priority is still to deliver a new pan-European Rugby Champions Cup (RCC). Mark McCafferty, the Premiership Rugby chief executive, maintains his organisation’s alliance with the French clubs and Welsh regions is still strong.
However, there is at present no legally binding agreement between the three parties and the nightmare scenario for Premiership Rugby is that the clubs in Wales and France end up falling into line with their unions, which have committed to an alternative 20-club European competition.
That would leave the English isolated and with three options: to fall in line themselves and go back on two years of hard rhetoric that they would never be part of any competition run by European Rugby Cup Ltd; to take the financial hit and not form any new competition; or to look elsewhere.
The “elsewhere” option is South Africa, where there is already considerable appetite to break away from the existing tie-up with Australia and New Zealand to explore options in Europe. One source told The Times: “South Africa is seriously interested in a European alternative to Super Rugby”.
The advantage for South Africa would include fewer matches for more money, less travel, and it would allow them to introduce a sixth franchise.
South Africa’s Super Rugby teams would not be in a position to join a new competition until the 2015-16 season, after the present Sanzar contract expires. However, for next season they could make available provincial Currie Cup teams such as Western Province, Blue Bulls and the Sharks.
The English and South African seasons would need to be brought into line because the Currie Cup final is in late October and the season re-starts in February, but early indications from SARU were that it would be willing to make a competition happen.
Of Premiership Rugby’s other options, McCafferty insisted that English clubs would not be involved in any competition run by ERC, the present Heineken Cup organiser. It appears they would rather be in no international tournament for a season.
There is no sense of panic at Premiership Rugby because the BT Sport television deal has swollen its coffers and it will gain additional revenue next season from a fourth autumn international. Premiership Rugby may well never have to consider those three scenarios, but they are exploring contingencies because there is as much uncertainty as ever over the future of Europe.
Pierre Camou, the president of the French union (FFR), is confident he can persuade the Top 14 clubs to withdraw their support for the RCC. He has offered financial incentives and warned the clubs that a new agreement on player release and broadcast rights will not be possible unless they do.
The Welsh union is also engaged in negotiations over a participation agreement, but it has so far failed to persuade the regions to turn their backs on the RCC because the announcement of the new union-led competition was short on detail.
There was no mention of a television deal or which teams would participate. The question remains how valuable the union-led competition would be to broadcasters and sponsors without the English clubs.
It is on that basis that McCafferty believes the French and Welsh clubs could have a legal case if their unions stopped them from joining the RCC, which he says would be more lucrative. The Welsh regions are not minded to test it in court.
So not content in trying to destroy the game in the northern hemisphere, this clown and his numpties are also trying to destroy the southern hemisphere game. Time the IRB told the ERU to reign in their clubs or else no RWC....
Firstly, there is no way I can see the IRB sanctioing this

Secondly, if for some insane reason the IRB actually do sanction the saffas playing in an NH competition, would they not want to play against teams that are actually good enough to win the Heineken Cup and not a bunch of also rans?
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scrum5 wrote:BREAKING NEWS...Mark McCafferty CEO of Premiership Rugby has announced who will be playing in the New 2014/15 all inclusive and improved Premier European Rugby Competition, The Rugby Champions Cup....

" After extensive negations the format will include all 12 English Premiership clubs, also included will be Centro Desportivo Universitário de Lisboa and Grupo Desportivo Direito both from Portugal. CS Dinamo Bucureşti and CS CSM Bucureşti both from Romania. Georgia will be represented by Lelo Tbilisi and Aia Kutaisi, the final 2 teams will be DSV 78 Hannover from Germany and the Dutch side Amstelveen Rugby Club..McCafferty went on to say that we are thrilled that these teams have agreed to join what will be the most innovative rugby tournament in the Northern Hemisphere".....Nigel Wray CEO of Saracens and Bath owner Bruce Craig both issued a joint statement saying that the English sides now have a tournament that is worthy for them to participate in, but they also issued a word of caution to the fans to be patient and not to expect automatic success as they will struggle for a few years to catch up to the high standard of their European partners in this fantastic new Rugby Tournament......
So much for an elite competition.
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Well spotted Snipe.....didn't think anyone was daft enough to believe otherwise, at least no one outside of the PRL anyway
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If it goes the way we all hope, it mightn't be that far off the truth, though if the Welsh and French side with the PRL it could well be the Rabo...still hoping a compromise can be reached to satisfy one and all
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LastKnightoftheproms wrote:
scrum5 wrote:Well spotted Snipe.....didn't think anyone was daft enough to believe otherwise, at least no one outside of the PRL anyway
In fairness, given the unbelievable crap that has actually already come out of the PRL I wouldn't blame anyone for believing it.
I believed it.
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LastKnightoftheproms wrote:
Big Smoke Culchie wrote:
LastKnightoftheproms wrote:
scrum5 wrote:Well spotted Snipe.....didn't think anyone was daft enough to believe otherwise, at least no one outside of the PRL anyway
In fairness, given the unbelievable crap that has actually already come out of the PRL I wouldn't blame anyone for believing it.
I believed it.
I know.

I was covering for you. :thumleft: :lol:
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scrum5 wrote:If it goes the way we all hope, it mightn't be that far off the truth, though if the Welsh and French side with the PRL it could well be the Rabo...still hoping a compromise can be reached to satisfy one and all
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ladyboy696969 wrote:Watch out! The South Africans are coming!
I suppose that counts as a European tournament :scratch: :scratch: :scratch:
and the English still won't win anything so they'll soon throw their toys out of the pram over that arrangement too.
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mikerob wrote:They have a logo - this was submitted as a trademark image on 13-9-13.

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Also a trademark application for "Coupe de champions de rugby" on 20-9-13.
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I hear the PRL won't let Northampton release North for the Wales v Oz game this weekend, even though it's in his contract.

Great PR work again from them.
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Jackie Brown wrote:I hear the PRL won't let Northampton release North for the Wales v Oz game this weekend, even though it's in his contract.

Great PR work again from them.
And the RRW want to through their hat in with this lot :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Jackie Brown wrote:I hear the PRL won't let Northampton release North for the Wales v Oz game this weekend, even though it's in his contract.

Great PR work again from them.
Can't be true. That would be PRL restricting Northampton's free trade, would it not?
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Guardian............ 26th Nov 2013

European rugby union set to end up like darts – rival finals and divided loyalties................
Bitter infighting over the future of the Heineken Cup helps nobody and echoes the dark early days of professionalism
Rugby union can be absurdly sweet and sour. Sunday in Dublin showed its capacity to captivate but its murky underbelly will be back on show in the coming days. Will the French clubs surrender to their union's summons?

Will the Welsh regions follow the money or fight for their principles? Will the English clubs have to eat their bodyweight in humble pie? Like the All Blacks, the politicians of European rugby are relentless.

The mass squabble over the future of the Heineken Cup could also go down to the final kick. Where once there was a prime cross-border competition there is now a primal scream of avarice and a nasty sense of deja vu. We are back in the vicious darkness of professionalism's early days.

It was certainly an interesting week for the International Rugby Board's chief executive Brett Gosper to declare his sport "in rude health."

At least he got the rude bit right. Last week's joint statement from the Irish, Welsh, French, Scottish, and Italian unions was described by Saracens chairman Nigel Wray as "the last bastion of the landlord versus serf relationship" and the FFR president Pierre Camou has copped some particular stick. "It's ludicrous that some bloke in France who hasn't invested a penny in the game can tell small businesses how they can operate and what they can and can't do," Wray told ESPN.

"It's ludicrous. It wouldn't happen in any other industry. The unions, who if you like have had the landlord role, always want to cling on to their power, it's perfectly normal. But it's like stopping the waves coming in. Canute didn't manage it and they won't."

Wray has been fighting this particular fight for 17 years now. Sure enough he was in Exeter on Saturday, loyally following his club as usual, still adamant rugby's traditional elders can no longer dictate what he can or cannot do. Imagine Fifa telling the English Premier League how to run their business? Even if it leaves them with a fallow European fixture-list next season, the English clubs see absolutely no future in the current set-up.

The stakes are growing ever higher. Imagine the committee-room meltdown should the Rugby Football Union become estranged either from its neighbouring unions or its clubs? The RFU cannot reject the latter now without risking a full scale civil war less than two years out from a World Cup. If, on the other hand, they are ostracised by every other European union the whole foundations of the Six Nations, the region's chief financial driver, start to tremble.

Either way, next season's Heineken Cup is in danger of being a dog's dinner. France are promising to supply eight sides but not necessarily all the best ones. Some – Toulon, say – will be caught in two minds. Without the English it will be even harder not to concentrate on an undiluted, full-strength tournament, namely the Top 14. The four Welsh teams will be minus a number of players who are bound for wealthier clubs abroad. The Scots and the Italians will carry on as normal, but for how long? The Amlin Cup, which offered a financial leg-up to Europe's smaller operators, has been mothballed. Without the English pantomime villain element it is no longer a competition to make the heart sing, regardless of your nationality.

Neither does it require a genius to work out where the English clubs will be tempted to look next. South Africa is in the same timezone and their players do not want to spend the rest of their lives shuttling to and from Australasia. Add in the best French sides and, potentially, you have the germ of a global club tournament. The Celtic unions, stuck with a competition of limited horizons, might yet begin to regret opting for the status quo. In the meantime we're heading for the world of darts – split organisations, rival finals, divided loyalties.

It would have other knock-on effects, too. The English and any rebel French clubs would be even less inclined to release their players for games outside international windows. Mutual understanding is already strained. Wales, for instance, must soldier on against Australia this week without the likes of Bath's Paul James. Fiji have had to call up sevens players this weekend to make up the numbers against the Barbarians because their regular XVs combatants mostly ply their trade for European clubs. Even the Baa-Baas are struggling for sufficient bodies. The fight for control of players will grow ever more vexed and expensive.

It gets worse. Without European Cup exposure next season – if their new tournament has to be delayed for a year – many leading English players would be restricted to domestic action. It is not the ideal way to prepare for an intense World Cup on home soil. All the feel good pre-World Cup marketing initiatives will also be drowned out by the wail of political sirens and arguments in the media.

The average punter will be tempted to shrug his or her shoulders and watch the football instead. At a stroke the best opportunity to publicise rugby union in England – and Wales – for a generation will have been wasted.

No pressure, then. The French clubs are reportedly due to meet on 2 December, with the French Federation's annual general meeting also taking place early next month. Something really has to be sorted out by Christmas because every side needs to know what next season's budget looks like before they start re-signing or recruiting in the New Year.

In short, it is not about the pesky English getting their comeuppance. It is about securing a viable future for the professional club game which, under current arrangements, shows little sign of dawning for the majority. A Celtic "victory" will be hollow indeed if it comes at the price of surrendered trust and fresh infighting. Ireland want to stage a World Cup in 2023 and will need the RFU to vote for them at some stage.

France fancy staging that tournament too. You can already sense deals being discussed, based on the outcome of the current European saga. Never mind the players, how much can we flog the product for? Sweet and sour, indeed.
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