I don't . I want our new Saffer to strike down upon our neighbours with great vengeance and furious anger .Brian Dunn 382 wrote:I hope our new Saffer would agree with me.
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I don't . I want our new Saffer to strike down upon our neighbours with great vengeance and furious anger .Brian Dunn 382 wrote:I hope our new Saffer would agree with me.
big mervyn wrote:I don't . I want our new Saffer to strike down upon our neighbours with great vengeance and furious anger .Brian Dunn 382 wrote:I hope our new Saffer would agree with me.![]()
You have a very selective interpretation of the Bible. Are denying that there is a hell? That most major Christian dominations teach in some format that unbelievers go there?Brian Dunn 382 wrote:I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, just stating my opinion. In my bible Jesus never preached hell, fire and brimstone. I was not trying to preach quoting verses. Most of the people you are talking about quote God's law to condemn those they disagree with. My bible tells me to fulfill God's law is to love them. This is my personal belief. I honestly do not know what motivates these people.
I agree it is a rugby forum but I didn't start the thread Biblical matters. Very happy to get back to rugby.
Brian, of course I have picked out some specific chapters and verses to point out some ..........hmmm, "inconsistencies" ,is as close as I will get, in the good book, mixed messages of love and forgiveness, cheek by jowl with eminently strong and definitely uncompromising, crushing and breaking of those, who the writers say, transgress God's "red lines".Brian Dunn 382 wrote:I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, just stating my opinion. In my bible Jesus never preached hell, fire and brimstone. I was not trying to preach quoting verses. Most of the people you are talking about quote God's law to condemn those they disagree with. My bible tells me to fulfill God's law is to love them. This is my personal belief. I honestly do not know what motivates these people.
I agree it is a rugby forum but I didn't start the thread Biblical matters. Very happy to get back to rugby.
I can live/die with that deal.BR wrote:I think for most of my modern Christian friends, the burning fires of hell are a metaphor for being without God. Hell is remaining in a Godless existence, which they may see worse than having your ballix burnt off for all eternity. The 'punishment' for not believing in God is not knowing God.
I think there is some realisation in more liberal Christian circles that a lot of what Jesus is quoted as saying was metaphor and hyperbole. Eventually they may also see that the bit about being the son of God and going to heaven was all figurative too. It's all highly improbable in my view.BaggyTrousers wrote:I can live/die with that deal.BR wrote:I think for most of my modern Christian friends, the burning fires of hell are a metaphor for being without God. Hell is remaining in a Godless existence, which they may see worse than having your ballix burnt off for all eternity. The 'punishment' for not believing in God is not knowing God.
It just seems that much of the bible bangs on about the tortuous consequences and you know what the cynical mind always thinks, if it's that good why must you at every cut and turn be threatened with dire consequences. It's full of "if you do that, God will .........." insert from burn you in eternity, dash your kid's heads on the ground, pluck the unborn wean from your wife's belly & countless other brahmers.
Sounds to me like the head man in a crime family, obey & all will be well, step outta line you schmuck and I'll take your head off with piano wire......oh aye, and the heads of your next 7 generations. (hence 7 heads in a duffle bag - not one of his better movies)