StandUp wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:58 pm
Crowley and Healey are kids who are just learning their craft but are exciting talents. Burns has been playing at this level for years. Can’t polish a t^rd.
Now you're having a laugh..... as well as being illogical. If Burns was as poor as you say, he wouldn't have been playing at this level for years.
I'd suggest that, like most out-halves, playing behind a pack not providing go-foward ball or time, he struggles. In fact, even Michael Lowry might do so. I'd also suggest that Burns and Doak played the agreed game-plan. I didn't think either Haley or Casey's kicking was particularly good or effective. The loss of 3 crucial line-outs from Munster kicks out didn't help our cause too much. As noted by others, Munster really are poor, but somehow they managed to turn a woeful first 15 into a great last 20. We survived the first half assault, courtesy of some hard work from amongst others, that other much-maligned player, Sam Carter, but came up short later on.
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StandUp wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:58 pm
Crowley and Healey are kids who are just learning their craft but are exciting talents. Burns has been playing at this level for years. Can’t polish a t^rd.
Jackie Brown wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:55 pm
Billy Burns is a 2nd rate English passenger. Today reaffirmed that. He had to take that by the scruff when Cooney went off. He didn't, let all the pressure pile onto young Doak. All he did was hoof it away to their back 3 when a competent outhalf would would have stretched the opposition to take advantage of the man advantage.
At least players like Niall O'Connor were one of our own even if they were sh1te. We actually head hunted Burns, and even though he's proved time and again not to be up to it at this level, we still trot him out. Glad we've tied him down to a contract extension, incase he got head hunted by Rotherham or London Scottish.
Where is Madigan??????
Madigan was stated to be unavailable.
You only tend to post when we lose and Burns is an easy target - any particular reason for that?
Thank God Cooney is staying an extra year as Doak has a long way to go yet. And to think ppl were saying he should have been in the Ireland squad during the AI. Burns out te fcuk. We're well stocked in the back 3 time to give Lowry another go at 10.
Haley fielded everything although it helps when 3 Munster forwards block off Gilroy from contestable kicks repeatedly. Why oh why we continually box kicked Munster back the ball I don’t understand, really poor tactics in the last 15.
Doak kicks longer from hand than both Cooney and burns. Burns was limping with 20 to go, Doak should’ve been line kicking not burns. The lineout was shakey all night…..which prob contributed to the infield kick strategy.
McCloskey was the huge miss tonight for me, we soaked too much territory in the tackle whereby him and Hume wouldn’t have done…..giving Munster belief, and decent front foot ball. Farrell was effective because of the above….but Christ he has regressed, had decent hands back in the day.
Some players went walkies 2nd half.
HammerTime wrote:Thank God Cooney is staying an extra year as Doak has a long way to go yet. And to think ppl were saying he should have been in the Ireland squad during the AI. Burns out te fcuk. We're well stocked in the back 3 time to give Lowry another go at 10.
Unfortunately Lowry at 10 is pipe dreams at the minute with Addisons injury. It would suit ulsters game plan to have a lowry at 10. Lowry could be on par with Marcus Smith if given time at 10 IMO.
StandUp wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:58 pm
Crowley and Healey are kids who are just learning their craft but are exciting talents. Burns has been playing at this level for years. Can’t polish a t^rd.
Now you're having a laugh..... as well as being illogical. If Burns was as poor as you say, he wouldn't have been playing at this level for years.
I'd suggest that, like most out-halves, playing behind a pack not providing go-foward ball or time, he struggles. In fact, even Michael Lowry might do so. I'd also suggest that Burns and Doak played the agreed game-plan. I didn't think either Haley or Casey's kicking was particularly good or effective. The loss of 3 crucial line-outs from Munster kicks out didn't help our cause too much. As noted by others, Munster really are poor, but somehow they managed to turn a woeful first 15 into a great last 20. We survived the first half assault, courtesy of some hard work from amongst others, that other much-maligned player, Sam Carter, but came up short later on.
I very much doubt the game plan was to kick the ball down Haley’s throat, to allow our tiring defence to get bombarded time and again.
Dharper wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:18 pm
Haley fielded everything although it helps when 3 Munster forwards block off Gilroy from contestable kicks repeatedly. Why oh why we continually box kicked Munster back the ball I don’t understand, really poor tactics in the last 15.
Doak kicks longer from hand than both Cooney and burns. Burns was limping with 20 to go, Doak should’ve been line kicking not burns. The lineout was shakey all night…..which prob contributed to the infield kick strategy.
McCloskey was the huge miss tonight for me, we soaked too much territory in the tackle whereby him and Hume wouldn’t have done…..giving Munster belief, and decent front foot ball. Farrell was effective because of the above….but Christ he has regressed, had decent hands back in the day.
Some players went walkies 2nd half.
HammerTime wrote:Thank God Cooney is staying an extra year as Doak has a long way to go yet. And to think ppl were saying he should have been in the Ireland squad during the AI. Burns out te fcuk. We're well stocked in the back 3 time to give Lowry another go at 10.
Unfortunately Lowry at 10 is pipe dreams at the minute with Addisons injury. It would suit ulsters game plan to have a lowry at 10. Lowry could be on par with Marcus Smith if given time at 10 IMO.
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Lowry with some game time at ten would cause defences to freeze as they would be scared of being turned inside out with those dazzling feet, but he needs time to develop his kicking game at 10.
HammerTime wrote:Thank God Cooney is staying an extra year as Doak has a long way to go yet. And to think ppl were saying he should have been in the Ireland squad during the AI. Burns out te fcuk. We're well stocked in the back 3 time to give Lowry another go at 10.
Unfortunately Lowry at 10 is pipe dreams at the minute with Addisons injury. It would suit ulsters game plan to have a lowry at 10. Lowry could be on par with Marcus Smith if given time at 10 IMO.
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Lowry with some game time at ten would cause defences to freeze as they would be scared of being turned inside out with those dazzling feet, but he needs time to develop his kicking game at 10.
Ulster generally kick from 9 so not really an issue. Billy either passes the ball straight away or kicks aimlessly because he’s not running threat.
The thought of Cooney, Lowry,Stu and Hume would cause havoc to oppositions.
HammerTime wrote:Thank God Cooney is staying an extra year as Doak has a long way to go yet. And to think ppl were saying he should have been in the Ireland squad during the AI. Burns out te fcuk. We're well stocked in the back 3 time to give Lowry another go at 10.
Unfortunately Lowry at 10 is pipe dreams at the minute with Addisons injury. It would suit ulsters game plan to have a lowry at 10. Lowry could be on par with Marcus Smith if given time at 10 IMO.
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Lowry with some game time at ten would cause defences to freeze as they would be scared of being turned inside out with those dazzling feet, but he needs time to develop his kicking game at 10.
Ulster generally kick from 9 so not really an issue. Billy either passes the ball straight away or kicks aimlessly because he’s not running threat.
The thought of Cooney, Lowry,Stu and Hume would cause havoc to oppositions.
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Plus Addisons silky running from full back. Ah well we can but dream.
Dharper wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:18 pm
Haley fielded everything although it helps when 3 Munster forwards block off Gilroy from contestable kicks repeatedly. Why oh why we continually box kicked Munster back the ball I don’t understand, really poor tactics in the last 15.
The Beirne effect ? I.e. not confident that we'd retain the ball in a tackle/a ruck ?
Dharper wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:18 pm
Doak kicks longer from hand than both Cooney and burns. Burns was limping with 20 to go, Doak should’ve been line kicking not burns. The lineout was shakey all night…..which prob contributed to the infield kick strategy.
Agreed.
Dharper wrote: ↑Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:18 pm
McCloskey was the huge miss tonight for me, we soaked too much territory in the tackle whereby him and Hume wouldn’t have done…..giving Munster belief, and decent front foot ball. Farrell was effective because of the above….but Christ he has regressed, had decent hands back in the day.
Agreed again. And perhaps Burns would have had a great deal more confidence in the options outside him. As for Farrell, didn't he (along with Arnold) go south as a result of Olding and Marshall being in the frame ? Farrell seems to have bought fully into the Munster Way. Arnold seems to be bringing the grit and abrasiveness to Connacht.
Munster find themselves back in Rob Penney territory. Do they go twist and for a coach that will encourage a more expansive style of play - with the attendant losses that will entail and fan fury as their expectations of constant victory are not met - or do they stick and get another Saffer and try to bash their way forwards as of old ?
With their money (and more importantly IRFU's money troubles) an expensive coach seems beyond them. But it is an IRFU appointment, not Munster's, although no doubt John Magnier will be asked to help. And then he'll probably try to pick the team as well (judging by what Van Graan has said).
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