CIMANFOREVER wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:50 am
Cap'n Grumpy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:44 am
CIMANFOREVER wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:13 pm
Bobby still pulling up short and not engaging in garryowens.
My view is that he has learnt when to compete and when to wait for his opponent to land and then tackle him.
He does challenge for the ball if he's up quickly enough to do so, but if he sees he can't challenge in the air, he's at least waiting for his opponnent to hit the ground.
He's quick to start the chase when a kick goes up, giving himself the best chance to compete, but is able to decide when the ball is in the air whether he can win it legally - that is better than being a penalty machine for the opposition. He still goes up nearly every time when it's the opposition who put up a high ball on his wing.
He still doesn't come looking for the ball when it's not reaching his wing though in the way Jacob does, but that may or may not be under orders to hold his opponent wide. It surely can't be all the time though.
Capn I trace it back to the time he got a suspension for a poor aerial challenge a couple of years ago- hasn't competed with the same venom since and visibly pulls up more often than not. Opponents know they have a clear jump to secure and present on his wing.
I know where yer coming from on that one, but the incident you refer to wasn't "a couple of years ago", it was against Munster in December 2018 - 5 years ago and only a few weeks after he made his debut
, so really there is very little to compare with prior to the incident.
Memories of him competing for the ball in the air are actually since
that event, so I doubt any lack of competition now is down to that challenge and subsequent citing 5 years ago.
I do share your concern about lack of competing for our own Garry-Owens, but have read a few articles quoting players (not just at Ulster) about how the up-and-under is deliberatley slightly too long so not intended for chasers to challenge for the ball in the air, but instead for the opposition to catch and possiby knock-on (unlikely but possible), or, more likely, for the chaser to wrap the catcher and compete for the ball as they land and are unstable, with the intention of winning turn-over ball or a penalty.
Whether this is what Bobby has been doing, or even whether this is a good tactic is debatable, but it fits with what I have read and heard about, and not just Ulster tactics.