Page 8 of 8
Re: Schmidt...
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:59 am
by bazzaj
Joe should look to the outstanding Eddie Jones to see how it's done.
Eddie selects form primarily as the core of his side are Saracens particularly up front, who have dominated domestically.
Just doesn't pick tried and trusted as he clearly looks at the players club form as a guide.
Loud calls were made to cull Robshaw from the side after the world cup debacle.
However his club form was superb and Eddie correctly backed him on that basis.
He selected Burrell over Ford on club form.
However when Burrell didn't perform Ford was selected who did produce keeping his place from that point on.
One player knows he has to perform as if his level drops the next form player is in.
This can only improve the general team standard as everyone knows they can get a chance without prejudice if they produce form.
Eddie made two unenforced changes in total to his starting lineup (both in the backs), over the whole series
He does not do wholesale changes but filters players in to a solid set up.
He also gambled selection wise at the start of the game with Burrell and Harrisons selections.
However when they weren't working out he was quick to identify that with his plan b which he had in place.
Wasn't afraid to look at the option but had the bravery after half an hour to change it.
Basically changed the outcome of two of the three tests with both those decisions alone.
Not sure many coaches would have done that.
He doesn't do his gambling on the bench as the last part of the game is where tests are won and lost.
He does his selection gambles at the start which can be rectified if necessary.
He knows his players and crooks them when they are tired and not to a preordained time.
The intention is always to replace players but the outfield player generally determines when that is.
Clues he looks for include missing and falling off tackles which is a biggie.
Theres not much arguing with Joes coaching record but I am not sure if he is the type to learn off others as he may be arrogant in that regard.
He really should.
Jones has been 10 out of 10 so far and I can't see that changing anytime soon.
The standard of their tests were considerably higher than ours too.
Think only a few of the Springbok would have made that Aussie team.
England are the real deal now and we are on catch up big time and we'd better start soon otherwise this gaps only getting bigger.
Re: Schmidt...
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 2:33 pm
by rumncoke
While the Springboks as a team failed to impress they actually fielded an experienced pack which was not matched by their backline which in three games failed to convince .
But it was a serious pack .
The Irish on the other hand were fielding a team which was mostly untried at this level .
While Marshall and Olding both play for Ulster the fact is that they have seldom played a full game in the centre together and the lack of familiarity was evident
Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk
Re: Schmidt...
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:18 pm
by bazzaj
Really serious experienced pack?
Beast, Strauss Else and Low I will give you but who else?
Caps wise the rest have about the same or less as PJ.
Hardly the stuff of seriousness or experience.
Re: Schmidt...
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:31 pm
by Rooster
bazzaj wrote:Really serious experienced pack?
Beast, Strauss Else and Low I will give you but who else?
Caps wise the rest have about the same or less as PJ.
Hardly the stuff of seriousness or experience.
Perhaps the Boks were playing from the Eddie Jones book of team selection, club form rather than past form ?
Re: Schmidt...
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 4:50 pm
by Russ
Rooster wrote:bazzaj wrote:Really serious experienced pack?
Beast, Strauss Else and Low I will give you but who else?
Caps wise the rest have about the same or less as PJ.
Hardly the stuff of seriousness or experience.
Perhaps the Boks were playing from the Eddie Jones book of team selection, club form rather than past form ?
Only in the 2nd and 3rd tests
Re: Schmidt...
Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2016 5:25 pm
by bazzaj
Rooster wrote:bazzaj wrote:Really serious experienced pack?
Beast, Strauss Else and Low I will give you but who else?
Caps wise the rest have about the same or less as PJ.
Hardly the stuff of seriousness or experience.
Perhaps the Boks were playing from the Eddie Jones book of team selection, club form rather than past form ?
If they were it's a mystery why Jaco Kriel didn't get much of a look in then.
SA should also look at form rather than quotas which is just absurd.
A test series loss to us could have been the best result for them long term with that idiotic but well intended criteria.
Re: Schmidt...
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:42 am
by UlsterNo9
Re: Schmidt...
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:43 pm
by Russ
Lol
Re: Schmidt...
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:55 pm
by Jackie Brown
Informed senior members? Probably the Kearney's, Fat Ross, Cronin, Sexyton and Ringpiece.
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
Re: Schmidt...
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:57 pm
by Rooster
Jackie Brown wrote:Informed senior members? Probably the Kearney's, Fat Ross, Cronin, Sexyton and Ringpiece.
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
Actually told Best
Re: Schmidt...
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 9:26 pm
by BaggyTrousers
Tould yis, why do you think Rory stood down as Ulster captain?
Clue: Schmidtferbrains offered him the Irish captaincy for the remainder of his tenure ................allegedly.
Re: Schmidt...
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:05 am
by againstthehead
bazzaj wrote:Joe should look to the outstanding Eddie Jones to see how it's done.
Eddie selects form primarily as the core of his side are Saracens particularly up front, who have dominated domestically.
Just doesn't pick tried and trusted as he clearly looks at the players club form as a guide.
Loud calls were made to cull Robshaw from the side after the world cup debacle.
However his club form was superb and Eddie correctly backed him on that basis.
He selected Burrell over Ford on club form.
However when Burrell didn't perform Ford was selected who did produce keeping his place from that point on.
One player knows he has to perform as if his level drops the next form player is in.
This can only improve the general team standard as everyone knows they can get a chance without prejudice if they produce form.
Eddie made two unenforced changes in total to his starting lineup (both in the backs), over the whole series
He does not do wholesale changes but filters players in to a solid set up.
He also gambled selection wise at the start of the game with Burrell and Harrisons selections.
However when they weren't working out he was quick to identify that with his plan b which he had in place.
Wasn't afraid to look at the option but had the bravery after half an hour to change it.
Basically changed the outcome of two of the three tests with both those decisions alone.
Not sure many coaches would have done that.
He doesn't do his gambling on the bench as the last part of the game is where tests are won and lost.
He does his selection gambles at the start which can be rectified if necessary.
He knows his players and crooks them when they are tired and not to a preordained time.
The intention is always to replace players but the outfield player generally determines when that is.
Clues he looks for include missing and falling off tackles which is a biggie.
Theres not much arguing with Joes coaching record but I am not sure if he is the type to learn off others as he may be arrogant in that regard.
He really should.
Jones has been 10 out of 10 so far and I can't see that changing anytime soon.
The standard of their tests were considerably higher than ours too.
Think only a few of the Springbok would have made that Aussie team.
England are the real deal now and we are on catch up big time and we'd better start soon otherwise this gaps only getting bigger.
Wouldn't get too carried away with England. One season in an appalling six nations and against a poor ozzie side . Ireland had a tonne of injuries at a critical time in the rwc. Get a few players back and Ireland would give England a good game. Ireland have no depth which is the problem.
Re: Schmidt...
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:47 am
by Russ
againstthehead wrote:bazzaj wrote:Joe should look to the outstanding Eddie Jones to see how it's done.
Eddie selects form primarily as the core of his side are Saracens particularly up front, who have dominated domestically.
Just doesn't pick tried and trusted as he clearly looks at the players club form as a guide.
Loud calls were made to cull Robshaw from the side after the world cup debacle.
However his club form was superb and Eddie correctly backed him on that basis.
He selected Burrell over Ford on club form.
However when Burrell didn't perform Ford was selected who did produce keeping his place from that point on.
One player knows he has to perform as if his level drops the next form player is in.
This can only improve the general team standard as everyone knows they can get a chance without prejudice if they produce form.
Eddie made two unenforced changes in total to his starting lineup (both in the backs), over the whole series
He does not do wholesale changes but filters players in to a solid set up.
He also gambled selection wise at the start of the game with Burrell and Harrisons selections.
However when they weren't working out he was quick to identify that with his plan b which he had in place.
Wasn't afraid to look at the option but had the bravery after half an hour to change it.
Basically changed the outcome of two of the three tests with both those decisions alone.
Not sure many coaches would have done that.
He doesn't do his gambling on the bench as the last part of the game is where tests are won and lost.
He does his selection gambles at the start which can be rectified if necessary.
He knows his players and crooks them when they are tired and not to a preordained time.
The intention is always to replace players but the outfield player generally determines when that is.
Clues he looks for include missing and falling off tackles which is a biggie.
Theres not much arguing with Joes coaching record but I am not sure if he is the type to learn off others as he may be arrogant in that regard.
He really should.
Jones has been 10 out of 10 so far and I can't see that changing anytime soon.
The standard of their tests were considerably higher than ours too.
Think only a few of the Springbok would have made that Aussie team.
England are the real deal now and we are on catch up big time and we'd better start soon otherwise this gaps only getting bigger.
Wouldn't get too carried away with England. One season in an appalling six nations and against a poor ozzie side . Ireland had a tonne of injuries at a critical time in the rwc. Get a few players back and Ireland would give England a good game. Ireland have no depth which is the problem.
Rumsplaining