Rory Best: Our coaches are crap.......well nearly!!!

[Dave]

Rory is delusional. We do not have the pack to compete with Munster or Leinster. Next season we might have. IF Botha and Coetzee can get some injury luck and the hond can replicate his YouTube form, we could be a lot better. Plus with a few nippers blooded and some deadwood shifted, combined with Jono, we are sure to be brill.

All other things being equal, do Munster have the backs to compete with ours? I'd say no.

Shan would disagree but a poor pack can cripple a backline.

[Gerald the Mole]

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[Russ]

Anyone reckon Dazza told Les his defensive system sucked?

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[rumncoke]

An article on All Black values
lists them as

1 Sacrifice of time and life style to be the best

2 respect for the legacy and culture

3 gratitude to considered good enough

4 Acceptance that you won't always get what you want sulking and moaning is a no no

5 Speed not just pace but mind picking the right option

6 Trust that you have the ability to win even when the score board says you losing

7 mental resilience to overcome adversity

8 awareness that you represent you brand

9 open mindedness ( something lacking in many who post here ) accept ideas

10 dedication to master the skills

11 accountability recognising everything can be done better

12 leadership take control of their own responsibilities

13 honesty - about your own performance - and if given a task such as personal conditioning etc doing it

14 Core role -- do what you have been asked to do and trust the other player to do his

15 - continual improvement - always want to strive to do better to take personal performance to a higher level


The thing about those values is they are all player related sweet f- ck all to do with coaching ..


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[Snipe Watson]

Rory is delusional. We do not have the pack to compete with Munster or Leinster. Next season we might have. IF Botha and Coetzee can get some injury luck and the hond can replicate his YouTube form, we could be a lot better. Plus with a few nippers blooded and some deadwood shifted, combined with Jono, we are sure to be brill.

All other things being equal, do Munster have the backs to compete with ours? I'd say no.

Shan would disagree but a poor pack can cripple a backline.

Shan's a turnipstani tribal elder, what else would he say?
Our backline is currently being crippled in that very way.

[exile-fer-now]

Is that what Rory actually said ?

[BaggyTrousers]

Rory is delusional. We do not have the pack to compete with Munster or Leinster. Next season we might have. IF Botha and Coetzee can get some injury luck and the hond can replicate his YouTube form, we could be a lot better. Plus with a few nippers blooded and some deadwood shifted, combined with Jono, we are sure to be brill.

All other things being equal, do Munster have the backs to compete with ours? I'd say no.

The thing is Snipe, you might be right but it's a harder call than many think. I do believe that some of our backs are genuinely nowhere near as good as many here think they are. Add to that that few here can see any quality in the Munster backline but boys a deario they have excelled this season, particularly in defence.

For example, and this is partly a coaching/selector issue, Luke & Wee Stu set a record last week, I am reliably informed, in the awesome category of "most tackles missed by a centre partnership in a Pro12 match". Given some of the dross in the league that is a staggering record, but here ...............has anyone any doubt that they will start together in Limerick?

I have become deeply troubled by selection issues of late, granted I am an expert with an eye for a player but Kiss very clearly isn't. Early season he picked Luke & Big Stu or Wee Stu & Big Stu, neither of which looked up to snuff. Now it's the Luke & Wee Stu show and they were made utter monkeys of by the pair with the singy songy names. Li-Lo & Halahola.

Snipe I'd put your life on it that he sends them out together again. I'd also be unsurprised if he bloody well sticks Charless to 15 and that will do my crust in.

Kiss needs to feckin' sharpen up, he is in danger of being exposed as an utter monkey who couldn't pick his nose.

[exile-fer-now]

Jaysus Ron'n, you don't half talk ballix when yer heed's on the wrong way round.

It's as clear as the nose on yer bake what Rory thinks, anyway I have personal information from elsewhere that most of the team are fed-up to the back teeth of the serious lack of coaching talent compared to what they experience at national squad gatherings.

If you don't understand the negative effect that poor coaches almost always have, never mind internecine bickering that Doak & Clarke specialise in, then my venerable friend .................yer bum's a plum.

I only wish that Kiss had taken the bull by the balls and put the lads on gardening leave and took it on himself and a few senior players, that way we mighty have got a bounce from the squad. You might point to all those bonus points but rarely was the performance one to shout about.

That you see is one of the problems, Mr Clarke reputationally only cares that you win, how you do is irrelevant. It's one of those counter-intuitive things, sounds right but is actually bollix when you then can't bate Aggie when the chips are down & that Ron'n why performance means everything, it's the repetition of good systems & skills game after game that sorts out the good teams from the also rans.

Totally wrong. We have coaches who haven't been ALLOWED to coach. The only one allowed to coach was allowed to leave.

We have no Head Coach - he's only allowed to pick up the cones and bibs, no Back's/Defence coach - he's gone, our Forward's coach was clearly "used" at the start of the year and this caused the internal fall out.

If he knew all this, why did our DoR not bring in his own team in prior to this season ? The Rugby World Cup was Oct 2015 and he's supposed to be a Director FFS ! Or did he just "buy" himself a year by being able to play the blame game ? Or is it due to money and the DoR wasn't allowed to get rid and pay compo to the guys under contract, so instead he uses them as the human shield or scapegoats ? ?

As far as the great coaches in the Irish set up are concerned - where did Kiss come from ?

Maybe it was time for a change of coaches ? Maybe they were there too long ? Maybe Kiss should have been made Head Coach, maybe he's actually quite good ?

I don't know, but why was Rory, in fact, asking the DoR to let our coaches, coach until the end of the season ?

I am worried however because in my view Kiss is certainly not a Director or Leader on the showing so far.

[Rooster]

Jaysus Ron'n, you don't half talk ballix when yer heed's on the wrong way round.

It's as clear as the nose on yer bake what Rory thinks, anyway I have personal information from elsewhere that most of the team are fed-up to the back teeth of the serious lack of coaching talent compared to what they experience at national squad gatherings.

If you don't understand the negative effect that poor coaches almost always have, never mind internecine bickering that Doak & Clarke specialise in, then my venerable friend .................yer bum's a plum.

I only wish that Kiss had taken the bull by the balls and put the lads on gardening leave and took it on himself and a few senior players, that way we mighty have got a bounce from the squad. You might point to all those bonus points but rarely was the performance one to shout about.

That you see is one of the problems, Mr Clarke reputationally only cares that you win, how you do is irrelevant. It's one of those counter-intuitive things, sounds right but is actually bollix when you then can't bate Aggie when the chips are down & that Ron'n why performance means everything, it's the repetition of good systems & skills game after game that sorts out the good teams from the also rans.

Totally wrong. We have coaches who haven't been ALLOWED to coach. The only one allowed to coach was allowed to leave.

We have no Head Coach - he's only allowed to pick up the cones and bibs, no Back's/Defence coach - he's gone, our Forward's coach was clearly "used" at the start of the year and this caused the internal fall out.

If he knew all this, why did our DoR not bring in his own team in prior to this season ? The Rugby World Cup was Oct 2015 and he's supposed to be a Director FFS ! Or did he just "buy" himself a year by being able to play the blame game ? Or is it due to money and the DoR wasn't allowed to get rid and pay compo to the guys under contract, so instead he uses them as the human shield or scapegoats ? ?

As far as the great coaches in the Irish set up are concerned - where did Kiss come from ?

Maybe it was time for a change of coaches ? Maybe they were there too long ? Maybe Kiss should have been made Head Coach, maybe he's actually quite good ?

I don't know, but why was Rory, in fact, asking the DoR to let our coaches, coach until the end of the season ?

I am worried however because in my view Kiss is certainly not a Director or Leader on the showing so far.

Doak is head coach at present, Clarke is forwards coach and Kiss is DOR and defence coach, Malone is skills coach and video analyst
Now next season we have Gibbes as head coach and also forwards coach, Peel is backs coach and Les is DOR and defence assessment Malone is still skills and video analyst.
Is it good enough? Time will tell but in my opinion we have a good Gibbes who should be good, Peel who is an unknown and Kiss who if he is picking team and doing defence at present needs to tighten up.

[Big Smoke Culchie]

Anyone reckon Dazza told Les his defensive system sucked?

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He'd have been right.

[Tender]

Gwan ahead exile, give Les some old fashioned personal abuse. He's a grown up and I'm sure he can handle it. If he comes after you, I'll get you a huge discount from my legal team Shyster, Loophole and Shyster who are two of the finest defence lawyers in Erin, when she's willing. Loophole had to retire after a tragic accident, when he damaged his voice box whilst attempting to swallow an entire tube of Pringles unopened, as he celebrated losing my damages claim against The Watchtower which had published a photo of myself and Jay-Z and claiming we were having a secret affair. Now I'm as gay as Baggy's mate, but at the time I was conducting a secret affair with Beyoncé which finished abruptly when she found out about it.
So what were we discussing? Something about Boke'n'Clarke being kuntz...
Is so easy to get sidetracked with all this beefcake in here.

[bazzaj]

Rory is delusional. We do not have the pack to compete with Munster or Leinster. Next season we might have. IF Botha and Coetzee can get some injury luck and the hond can replicate his YouTube form, we could be a lot better. Plus with a few nippers blooded and some deadwood shifted, combined with Jono, we are sure to be brill.

All other things being equal, do Munster have the backs to compete with ours? I'd say no.

The thing is Snipe, you might be right but it's a harder call than many think. I do believe that some of our backs are genuinely nowhere near as good as many here think they are. Add to that that few here can see any quality in the Munster backline but boys a deario they have excelled this season, particularly in defence.

For example, and this is partly a coaching/selector issue, Luke & Wee Stu set a record last week, I am reliably informed, in the awesome category of "most tackles missed by a centre partnership in a Pro12 match". Given some of the dross in the league that is a staggering record, but here ...............has anyone any doubt that they will start together in Limerick?

I have become deeply troubled by selection issues of late, granted I am an expert with an eye for a player but Kiss very clearly isn't. Early season he picked Luke & Big Stu or Wee Stu & Big Stu, neither of which looked up to snuff. Now it's the Luke & Wee Stu show and they were made utter monkeys of by the pair with the singy songy names. Li-Lo & Halahola.

Snipe I'd put your life on it that he sends them out together again. I'd also be unsurprised if he bloody well sticks Charless to 15 and that will do my crust in.

Kiss needs to feckin' sharpen up, he is in danger of being exposed as an utter monkey who couldn't pick his nose.

Anyone who doesn't think our current inadequacies are not coaching issues I would like to ask them one question.
Apart from Reidy and Jackson which of our front liners have currently improved since they first arrived?
Arguably it's difficult to think of others that haven't gone backwards.

Even think of Ian Whitten and Steenson who have left,written off as average Joes with us and have flourished under Rob Baxters excellent Exeter coaching set up.
It ain't rocket science.it really isn't.

[BaggyTrousers]

Jaysus Ron'n, you don't half talk ballix when yer heed's on the wrong way round.

It's as clear as the nose on yer bake what Rory thinks, anyway I have personal information from elsewhere that most of the team are fed-up to the back teeth of the serious lack of coaching talent compared to what they experience at national squad gatherings.

If you don't understand the negative effect that poor coaches almost always have, never mind internecine bickering that Doak & Clarke specialise in, then my venerable friend .................yer bum's a plum.

I only wish that Kiss had taken the bull by the balls and put the lads on gardening leave and took it on himself and a few senior players, that way we mighty have got a bounce from the squad. You might point to all those bonus points but rarely was the performance one to shout about.

That you see is one of the problems, Mr Clarke reputationally only cares that you win, how you do is irrelevant. It's one of those counter-intuitive things, sounds right but is actually bollix when you then can't bate Aggie when the chips are down & that Ron'n why performance means everything, it's the repetition of good systems & skills game after game that sorts out the good teams from the also rans.

Totally wrong. We have coaches who haven't been ALLOWED to coach. The only one allowed to coach was allowed to leave.

We have no Head Coach - he's only allowed to pick up the cones and bibs, no Back's/Defence coach - he's gone, our Forward's coach was clearly "used" at the start of the year and this caused the internal fall out.

If he knew all this, why did our DoR not bring in his own team in prior to this season ? The Rugby World Cup was Oct 2015 and he's supposed to be a Director FFS ! Or did he just "buy" himself a year by being able to play the blame game ? Or is it due to money and the DoR wasn't allowed to get rid and pay compo to the guys under contract, so instead he uses them as the human shield or scapegoats ? ?

As far as the great coaches in the Irish set up are concerned - where did Kiss come from ?

Maybe it was time for a change of coaches ? Maybe they were there too long ? Maybe Kiss should have been made Head Coach, maybe he's actually quite good ?

I don't know, but why was Rory, in fact, asking the DoR to let our coaches, coach until the end of the season ?

I am worried however because in my view Kiss is certainly not a Director or Leader on the showing so far.

Allen unless that's you then you know as much as the next man. Were you "used"? I think you'd need to amplify that a touch. By the way, is it true you and Doak came to blows in front of the squad? That's just a disgrace.

[Snipe Watson]

Totally wrong. We have coaches who haven't been ALLOWED to coach. The only one allowed to coach was allowed to leave.

Why did he want to leave?

...our Forward's coach was clearly "used" at the start of the year and this caused the internal fall out.

Used by whom? You clearly have something to get off your chest about the fallout...

If he knew all this, why did our DoR not bring in his own team in prior to this season ?

I'd imagine: "DoR wasn't allowed to get rid and pay compo to the guys under contract" Ulster don't sack people they just don't renew contracts.

Maybe it was time for a change of coaches ? Maybe they were there too long ?

No maybe about it!! It was and they were.

I don't know, but why was Rory, in fact, asking the DoR to let our coaches, coach until the end of the season ?

Was he?

[BaggyTrousers]

Snipe more likely to get a reply from Philomena Cunk or Jimmy Shitpeas.