Munster v Ulster Sat Jan 8th 7:35pm KO RTE/Premier Sports

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StandUp wrote:Moxham at outside centre for first start of the season? Shirley the munters will target that all night.
They absolutely will. Big enough unit but defending the 13 channel is a tricky occupation.
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Dave wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 6:02 pm
StandUp wrote:Moxham at outside centre for first start of the season? Shirley the munters will target that all night.
They absolutely will. Big enough unit but defending the 13 channel is a tricky occupation.
Yep. I wonder if Reidy could be one of the travelling alternate players in case of injury?
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Dave wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 6:02 pm
StandUp wrote:Moxham at outside centre for first start of the season? Shirley the munters will target that all night.
They absolutely will. Big enough unit but defending the 13 channel is a tricky occupation.
Farrell isn’t known for an outside break, he’ll run straight and hard, so I assume his bulk is wanted for that. Curtis/Hume probably deemed too small vs Scannell/Farrell.
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Big-al wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 7:06 pm
Dave wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 6:02 pm
StandUp wrote:Moxham at outside centre for first start of the season? Shirley the munters will target that all night.
They absolutely will. Big enough unit but defending the 13 channel is a tricky occupation.
Farrell isn’t known for an outside break, he’ll run straight and hard, so I assume his bulk is wanted for that. Curtis/Hume probably deemed too small vs Scannell/Farrell.
Good point
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Re: Munster v Ulster Sat Jan 8th 7:35pm KO RTE/Premier Sports

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By outside break do you mean a space wasting attempt to run round an opponent .

A tactic normally doomed to fail because the player attempt is seldom that much quicker than the player he attempting to run round . It wastes time which enables the cover defence to get across and denies space to a winger pushing the wing towards the touch line

Good outside centres draw their opposite number and time their pass so that the wing has space to wrong foot his opponent .
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rumncoke wrote: Sat Jan 08, 2022 12:31 am By outside break do you mean a space wasting attempt to run round an opponent .

A tactic normally doomed to fail because the player attempt is seldom that much quicker than the player he attempting to run round . It wastes time which enables the cover defence to get across and denies space to a winger pushing the wing towards the touch line

Good outside centres draw their opposite number and time their pass so that the wing has space to wrong foot his opponent .
:scratch: I suspect O’Driscoll might say you are talking through the toothless one.
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Also, without a hefty number of inside and outside breaks from James Hume recently, our back line would have been pretty static. I very much hope Dan doesn’t chastise him for that and make him draw his opponent in the future. 🙄
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A few from Lowry as well.
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BoD seldom tried to run round his opposite number , he did once run round his own outside centre which was a move much debated at the time. No Bod was actually a highly skilled timer of a pass ; he provided an effective block on the cover defence ensuring the wing out side was one on one with option of wrong footing the opposite wing by coming in side and avoiding the touch line and also ensuring the wing was running at the wrong shoulder of the tackler.
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Conrad smith done it plenty of times.

Go for an outside break, end up making a half break then either passing it on to someone in space or offloading.
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How many tries have been scored by Ulster wingers from a pass in the last two years -- or put it another way how many passes have wings received in the last two years. Basically it comes down to two factors a flat back line based on the hope that McCloskey might make the gain line and Ulster get a quick recycle or he can off load to a supporting player .( Both rare events because McCloskey normally absorbs two tacklers slowing the recycle and /or blocking the off load )

The moves which remove the static look to The Ulster backline are either the full back or wing coming into the line( which if it works means a try for someone other than a wing) but it is definitely not Hume on a run across the pitch trying to round his opposite number .
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rumncoke wrote: Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:26 am How many tries have been scored by Ulster wingers from a pass in the last two years -- or put it another way how many passes have wings received in the last two years. Basically it comes down to two factors a flat back line based on the hope that McCloskey might make the gain line and Ulster get a quick recycle or he can off load to a supporting player .( Both rare events because McCloskey normally absorbs two tacklers slowing the recycle and /or blocking the off load )

The moves which remove the static look to The Ulster backline are either the full back or wing coming into the line( which if it works means a try for someone other than a wing) but it is definitely not Hume on a run across the pitch trying to round his opposite number .
I don’t remember Hume running across the pitch for many of his inside or outside breaks. The idea is to wrong foot your opponent and accelerate round them, not run across the pitch, which then allows the option of a sprint or an offload if your opponent manages a half tackle.
Keep watching oul han. You’ll get the idea eventually.
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Wonder if lowry will be looking forward to a run at zebo? Am sure he won't rub his face in it but hopefully a few teammates might.
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Outside Centre (No.13)
HOME TECHNICAL ZONE POSITION SPECIFIC OUTSIDE CENTRE (NO.13)

Support:

-Be able to communicate your support to the ball carrier

-Never isolate yourself from your support play, Play to support the ball carriers

-Always run straight to allow the outside centre to make a break on the outside

-Must perform a support role at the ruck or maul

-Be able to make the ball available when setting up a phase (correct placement

A small excerpt from Ross Munro Williams, a South African rugby coach.
Somebody needs to tell him he’s talking balls and outside centres must not make outside breaks or rum’n will be very, very upset. :roll:
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jean valjean wrote: Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:06 am Wonder if lowry will be looking forward to a run at zebo? Am sure he won't rub his face in it but hopefully a few teammates might.
Haha I do hope he does it again. As long as he doesn’t beat him on an outside break or rum’n might smash his telly. :shock:
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